Appreciation for ZorinOS and open source in general

The HotTake and the comments made here both specify that this is not about the Gnome Desktop.
It is about the Gnome developers; and something the Gnome developers do that is different.

More importantly that Gnomes actions while controlling GTK, affects all other desktops.

I started the first sentence with “the comments of one developer…” so what about all the other developers working on GNOME? The video is very biased and not a good representation of all GNOME developers by singling out comments that perpetuate a narrative. No Linux desktop is for every Linux user and that was the point. Taking a single developer’s comments as gospel for all GNOME developers is disingenuous for the reader. Comparatively, all desktop environments have strengths and weaknesses relative to each end user case. The irony is that GNOME is used by Zorin and developers still continue to develop GNOME willingly trying to strike the right balance of simplicity and complexity for the benefit of the community. Sometimes they get it right and other times they need to adjust fire. Is GNOME or any of its developers perfect? Of course not and that is true of all organizations. Developers have to choose the best compromise to make their choices the best possible given available resources. This means some users will be happy and others not so much. We saw one video of one person not happy about one GNOME developer. So what? GNOME is a large organization with many people with different opinions with even more users. One developer expressing an opinion does not speak for the entire organization as a whole.

No.
We saw one video of agreement with many people that voice the same.

We see Tobias Bernard for the voice of GNomes direction for good reason. What he says, Gnome Foundation does.

It is not "taken as gospel." It is a long series of statements that fit observation and evidence about the direction of Gnome Foundation.

The current tangent is:

It is not about the Gnome Desktop.
Why do you keep trying to shift the goalposts to it?

Not shifting any goal post. One developer’s comments does not mean that is how GNOME as a whole operates. I cannot be more clear that one developer does not speak for the entire organization. GNOME has a focus based on what contributors want. Just because one developer expresses what he perceives to be happening (which might align with what purported others “observe”) does not make it GNOME’s short/long term strategy. Despite the observations of a few unhappy critics, it seems there are many happy fans with the GNOME desktop including many popular distributions including Zorin, Ubuntu, Manjaro, and Fedora.

You really are. With every post.

They don't seem like meaningful differences. I think @anon50265909 is saying that sometimes we need to compromise as well as pursue ideals. I don't believe to hate the ground Gnome treads on improve something.

This is a charged and highly misleading statement.

It dismisses valid user observations or complaints as "Gnome hate" instead of addressing them.
Are we supposed to stay silent and take what they give us so that we dare not be accused of being hateful - for having the audacity to dislike the way their control over the users by using force with NON-Gnome users through LibAdwaita and GTK?

Maybe the Zorin Forum should do away with the Feedback forum lest it be called a "Zorin hate" subforum?

I do believe that it improves things. It stands up for the users. It stands up against force and control. It defends FOSS and what GnuLinux still stands for.
Silence does not improve things.

A win for the community, no doubt :slight_smile:

This man is clearly speaking for himself, he was very clear about it and it's also right there in the video's title.
But he's not talking about the Gnome desktop environment as a product, which he qualifies as being a good product at the beginning of the video. He's talking about the Gnome Project and the way it handles the community around it, in particular how they are making it harder to contribute for outsiders.

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