Dell XPS 9570 with TB16 dock issues

This would be the first culprit I would check. You can try the Nouvea Drivers instead of the Nvidia Proprietary drivers or switch to a different set of Nvidia Drivers.
Check against your Nvidia card for the correct drivers, then avoid the Nvidia site and add them from the ppa, instead.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa

sudo apt update

Where you replace (NUMBER) with the Driver Number you referenced based on your Graphics card model:

sudo apt install nvidia-driver-(NUMBER)

Thanks for the help! For the driver number, if the website recommends driver version 460.39, would my command look like

sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460.39

?

Try

sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460

I did this and rebooted but I’m still getting the intermittent flickering on the external display. I’ll try the Nouvea Drivers.

Okay, the issues persist even with the Nouvea Drivers.

I did some further testing, and when the external display is my only display, I get intermittent flickering. I tried increasing the refresh rate to 144hz and 120hz, and both just result in a loss of signal. It flickers, but works at 59.95hz. I’ve reduced it, just for the sake of troubleshooting to 23.97hz and there haven’t been any flickers.

I’m starting to think this might be some kind of bandwidth issue with the Thunderbolt port, and perhaps a BIOS update would help resolve the issues. However, thanks to Dell, the only way that I can seem to find to update the BIOS firmware on this laptop is through their software which is only available on Windows.

You want to keep it at 59.95hz.
The next thing I would check would be your Xorg drivers.

In terminal you can run

sudo nano /etc/default/grub

Tab down to the line that says "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" and change it to reflect

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_psr=0"

Then hit ctrl+x to exit, hit the Y key to say yes and hit the enter key to save the current file as is. This is to disable the Panel Self Refresh.

The terminal will revert to normal - run

sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg

Then reboot and test.

It's not just Dell that is a real pain about the BIOS updates, sadly...

I followed your suggestions, restarted, and upped the refresh rate back to 59.95hz and the flickering immediately returned.

I hate your Dell computer.

Can you paste the output of

uname -a

here?

One thing I forgot, in Settings, you can also adjust “dither” to see if that helps.

Linux XPS-15 5.4.0-65-generic #73~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 19 09:02:24 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I can't seem to find a 'dither' setting in the screen display settings. Where do I find this?

Thanks on the kernel version print: You have the 5.4.0-65 kernel, so really, that is unlikely to be the issue- though it MAY be worthwhile to try a different kernel to find out for sure.

Disabling or enabling dither is usually done from within the Graphics Settings of your device. For example of using GEForce, from opening "Nvidia-Settings". I cannot be more specific, sorry, as I Never use Nvidia.
A method I found on a search is:

Quoting the original poster "Levell" from that thread below:

This is what worked on my Ubuntu 20.04 system with an Nvidia Quadro K2000M card and the recommended 390 driver:

sudo nano /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf

Paste in the following:

Section "OutputClass"
Identifier "nvidia"
MatchDriver "nvidia-drm"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/xorg"
EndSection

Add Option "TripleBuffer" "TRUE"

sudo nano /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf

Section "OutputClass"
Identifier "nvidia"
MatchDriver "nvidia-drm"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration"
Option "TripleBuffer" "TRUE"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/xorg"
EndSection

This may not be a Nvidia issue at all. I opened the only app on this system with Nvidia in the title, “Nvidia X Server Settings” and it allows me to swap between the integrated graphics and the dedicated GPU. I swapped to the Intel option (and restarted), and it seems somewhat stable at 59.95hz (only flickered once briefly after changing the refresh rate). I attempted a higher refresh rate (120hz) and the flickering returned.

Screenshot from 2021-02-22 21-23-11

I’m starting to think this is entirely Thunderbolt/Dock related, and that I’m going to have to reinstall a copy of Windows to attempt to update the BIOS firmware.

You might try it with Automatic Brightness turned off and see what happens.

I see some Screen Brightness and Dim Screen When Inactive options in the Power Settings, but I don’t see any Automatic Brightness settings. I don’t see anything in the Screen Display settings either. Am I looking in the wrong place?

I had another flickering event just now, and it resulted in the loss of my external mouse and keyboard, both of which are connected via the dock. They came back after a restart, but I have to conclude that the likelihood of this being a graphic/driver issue as opposed to a Thunderbolt/Dock issue is very slim.

From your Activities Overview, settings > Power > Dim Screen when inactive- switch to OFF.

Loss of external mouse and keyboard- These are partially governed by Xorg-input-all.
Which actually puts me back to Drivers. More specifically, xrandr HiDPI scaling.

Let's try following the assumption that xorg is involved, given this new Mouse and Keyboard clue.
Can you boot the machine while holding down the Left Shift Key to boot to Recovery Menu.
With the Recovery Menu up, tab down to "Drop to Prompt"
Hit Enter to start, then put in:

X -configure

cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Exit and boot up normally.
Once booted, Open a terminal and run

sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf

Paste the following into the new file

Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
EndSection

I’ll give this a shot. Is there any chance I can do this with the Nvidia drivers? I’ll try it first as you’ve stated, but ideally (for performance) it’d be nice to have access to the horsepower of the 1050ti.

It appears I cannot. Attempted multiple times to get to the Recovery Menu by holding Left Shift. Even tried while disconnected from the dock on the laptop itself.

EDIT: This now reminds me, that while attempting to boot to Windows on this machine after having installed Zorin, I had changed the Boot Sequence. The BIOS on this laptop is pretty strange (Dell Proprietary?) and to add a new Boot Option to the sequence, I have to manually point to a .efi file. I did this after blundering my boot sequence (and not even successfully accessing Windows, even via Dell's Boot Recovery and Factory Install, another issue entirely. Also two separate physical SSD's that I was swapping).

I pointed to the /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi and that's how I'm currently booting to Zorin. If there's a different file (there are many here, which I'll list) I should be booting from, let me know.

  • /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
  • /EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi
  • /EFI/ubuntu/mmx64.efi
  • /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi
  • /EFI/BOOT/fbx64.efi

This does not remove or circumvent Nvidia in anyway. It merely points the system to recognize the Intel Hardware, first. That's a very good question, though and I really should have anticipated the above as misleading and explained that.
Sometimes I am posting too fast in too many threads trying to cover a lot as briefly as possible.

Sometimes a person needs to not hold the left shift key down, but to tap it furiously at hyper speed.
This can happen if the grub timeout is set very low or to 0.
I am not sure if your EFI manual change would effect it or not- And I have to warn you that in fairness... It can take a couple tries. I had one notebook here that (It is now my sons web browsing computer) it often took me four or five attempts to boot into recovery menu to hit the sweet spot in tapping that left shift key.

I’ll see if I can speed tap my way into the recovery menu.

Today I discovered a consistent way to replicate the flicker/disconnect and that is to install a new application from the Software app. After I provide my password, and before the application becomes ‘Launchable’ I will always get a screen flicker. Also I downloaded an app called ‘Moonlight’ to remotely control a Windows desktop PC on my network, and attempting to run that app fullscreen on my external display is another guaranteed way to lose the display entirely.

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