Dualboot Windows 11 and Zorin

I'm Microsoft Certified. Old qualifications (70-210, 70-270 and 70-290 MCSEs, 20+ MCPs) which is appropriate as I'm old too. But Windows has ever been weak on security, especially when dealing with network shared folders. Windows 11, for all of its supposedly improved security, still carries those weaknesses right up to the present day. Microsoft account passwords still do not update when logging in to shared folders. Change your Microsoft password and see. Shared Folder login will still ask for you previous password. I'm still in my infancy learning Linux but I've already created a local file server that's bomb proof compared to Windows. The learning process is slow at my age but I'm enjoying the experience of something completely new.

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Can I ask how you did it? I'm focusing all of my attention on Zorin 16 Pro for now, and that version wants to erase the entire disk unless I look at doing a manual install. Any info you can share would be genuinely appreciated.

This laptop used to have Windows 10 and Zorin 15,3.
I basically upgraded Windows 10 to Windows 11.

To that end, I edited Windows registry during the upgrade process to evade the TPM 2.0 detection.

It is also possible to clean install Windows 11 on unsupported systems with an additional registry editing.

I only have an experience for dual-boot with Zorin 15,3 Lite.
I hope someone with an experience with Zorin 16 dual-boot can answer your question.

I never thought of upgrading from 10 to 11. Duh, old age is slowing my thinking. Windows 10 / Zorin 16 pro is pretty much an automated process when installing. I've previously used Zorin 15 Lite on this Dell Inspiron 1720 laptop as Zorin 16 is too heavy.

I'll create a Windows 10 / Zorin 15 Lite dualboot for now, then upgrade from Windows 10 to 11. Editing the registry is one option though it not really needed. Just re-write the install to ignore the checks. Windows 11 Security, yeah, it rocks lol. Thanks for the tip.

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I am not a young thing either :sweat_smile:

MS security is nothing in front of us old hackers :nerd_face:

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You seem to know your way around this whole Linux experience. So... What's happening when I try and install a dual boot Windows 10 /Zorin 15 Education Lite? This Dell Inspiron 1720 comes with 2 HDD installed. When I install Zorin 15 as the dual boot it forces itself on to the 2nd drive, no option to select sda. I don't get this if i want to install Zorin 16 pro. Windows i understand, Linux is still voodoo at the moment and progress can be slow at times.

Far from it, really.
I have been using a computer since DOS era, but I seriously switched over to Linux less than 10 years ago (minus 2 years which I spent as a Hackintosh user).

While I have no experience with it, I think the Education Lite should behave the same as Lite.

I am a cheater and solve this dual/multiple boot issue physically:
https://forum.zorin.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/df32fbfa32300f1df4536fbfb00422875cd5bb1e.jpeg

I used to be a system integrator and that skill goes a long way thanks to my ex :wink:

You really need someone who knows dual-boot with Zorin 16 to chip in here. All my Zorin 16 installation is stand alone.

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I go back even further than that. Card machines. After a few years we got on to ZX80s and Pets. I'm a textiles mechanic by trade, wrote a lot of file compressors for C64 and Amiga. Dos was much later. I mastered PKZip so this obviously meant I was a computer whizz and got the job of installing a wired network for sending work / programs to the knitting machines. Orange/White, Orange, Green/White, Blue, Blue/White, Green, Brown/White Brown. I can't remember how many wires I made up, or roof tiles I fell through. The company I worked for paid for all of my qualifications. 20+ MCPs / MCSEs, A+, N+ Security+ and all sorts of others. I never worked on computers though despite all that lol. Textiles all the way.

This?
http://www.cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/index.php/Jacquard_Loom

Funny, the punch card looks like exactly what I had to use at my university in Japan.

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LOL now those are old. I only ever saw a few of those machines. Filigree Textiles at South Normanton, UK. The versions I saw were much more modern. They had circular card disks on a wheel.

No, I was talking about a mainframe at Heanor College, UK. One of their old machines was programmed on punch cards. We used to take our (very short) programs to an elderly lady who would turn our code in to punch cards so that we could use the old mainframe. I can't remember what it was called, but I can remember that it could handle 1.2k instructions a second. Yes, 1200 instructions a second. It was a BEAST lol.

And just to clarify, it was ancient, even compared to me. But... It still worked, and we still used it. Time on the IBM was precious, always lol.

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Interestingly, the traditional punch cards still have their place in the artisanal textile making in Kyoto.
https://www.japantextilesalon.com/archive/2018-whatson.html

The traditional machine can only use paper punch cards to produce patterns.

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Fascinating. It's a form of textiles I've not spent a lot of time with. Flat bed, Fall plate machines were never very good for plating lycra which is essential for stretch wear. In fact they were notoriously difficult to get working successfully with lycra. I worked on Single and Double Jersey jacquards and stripers, and flat bed lace for the first half of my career. I switched to Socks and Tights for the 2nd half. Obviously my Microsoft certifications were absolutely essential for the work I was doing (not lol). The fascinations with computers has persisted, even though I never worked on any kind of Microsoft Networks, Domains / Forests etc.

Linux is my new project, and slowly but surely I'm making progress. More often learning from my mistakes, than from mastering anything I read in books.

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When it comes technology, nothing can replace a hands-on experience. Reading books is like trying to learn swimming without going into water to me.

I think I made a big progress in Linux after I discovered Raspberry Pi some years ago. They are great inexpensive machines to lean Linux with. They are designed for clumsy little hands of young kids and extremely durable. Even one made a mistake, the financial damage would be minimal compared with a regular computer.

I am currently running a whole house "non-smart" speakers, printer server, pi-hole, Wordpress and Openmediavault with RasPi :slight_smile:

I am planning to write a tutorial for RasPi for this forum during the upcoming holiday season :christmas_tree:

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No that I'm eagerly looking forward to as her that wears the trouser has promised me a Pi from Santa. She knows I'm in charge really though, she said she will let me wear the trouser if I really want to.

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Each device has to be assessed on a case by case basis.There are really no one size fits all solutions when it comes to dual booting anymore, but there are commonalities to the process. Legacy systems are much easier to deal with, but they an endangered species.

I too am a hands-on learner. I never really did good reading books and text books, and trying to remember what I had learned, to try and ace the tests and book reports.

I learned more about how an RC-car worked by taking it apart. It didn't work anymore after putting it back together, but hey, I was just a kid, cut me some slack lol. I started doing much better when I was working on computers, they still worked after messing with them, well, most of the time lol.

When I was first going through school, I really thought I was going to become a computer programmer some day, simply because I had a big interest in them. It wasn't long however till I learned that I didn't have the mind for coding. And plus, I would need to know some real advanced math just to begin the foyay into the fray.

Truth is, I ended up taking an interest in mechanics as well, it wasn't long before I took shop in high school that confirmed I had the nack for it. But computers are also used in a shop too, how do you think you order parts, look up illustrated parts lists, print out invoices.

Truth is, computer's play a major part of our lives now. Its not like the old days before the internet, back then people could function without it, without a computer, and registers were still simplified. Now days, a store can't function without working power to the registers, a full network, and internet connection.

I remember a couple of times when I was in our local store shopping when suddenly the power went out. The girl couldn't do a transaction manually, cause they rely on a computerized register so much. My mom was older generation, an accountant wiz, she could manually do the transaction, her brain was like a walking calculator, she didn't need no fangled machine to tell her what it is.

But of course, I am speaking of cash based transactions obviously. Nobody is going to make dial up modem sounds with their mouths and magically process your credit card lol.

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I open my Acer Aspire every couple of years to clean inside and replace thermopaste under the CPU. Will see how long I can keep this pre EFI BIOS machine alive.

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My old legacy mother board bundle with an Athlon X IV 8Gb of ram runs great, but I need a case and power supply. I haven't committed to recycling it yet !

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Those are 2 parts I always pay as much as I could afford.
After AT to ATX transition, they do not change at all.

While I was working as a system integrator, I quite often managed to salvage those 2 parts my clients had.

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Do you know Steve at Gamers Nexus on Youtube? Well, that guy has been doing video's on pre-built computers, some of which come from system integraters. And let me tell you, I think times have changed since you were doing it.

He's showed us a lot of shoddy workmanship, and things that utterly make no sense at all in the computer builds. And the one take I got from it all is, either just build your own and it will be better then this garbage, or buy a notebook computer lol.

As gaming enthusiasts we have high standards, this is true. But lets be brutally honest here. Some of the machines that have been coming from Dell, HP, as well as a few of the SI's, have left much to be desired. lol

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