Gnome, GTK and the rest

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@tomscharbach

beyond changing backgrounds, working through the settings menus, and adding/removing applications through a GUI interface, and neither have nor want the level of knowledge needed to go beyond that are "lazy", "unwilling to learn" and "ignorant'. Your statement encapsulates the attitude of too many Linux enthusiasts, and it is exactly a case of "looking down our long noses are users who aren't."

Explain to me where your assumption of "Beyond the settings" comes from?

@tomscharbach

A good place to start might be to accept consumer users as they are and meet them where they are -- users who expect Linux to "just work" in the way that Windows, MacOS, Android and iOS "just work" -- and rid ourselves (as best we can) of the notion consumer users who have no interest in joining the Linux culture are "lazy", "unwilling to learn" and "ignorant".

There is a huge difference between using the settings and users demanding that systems and programs do the work for them. There is a huge difference between putting in some effort and demanding "I don't want to have to learn" "I don't want to have to use the CLI" "I Want this, I want that."

I Might Have Hit A Wall - Where Is The Uninstaller for Zorin?

Being a developer you already dedicated yourself to constant learning. Once you become familiar with linux you would smack yourself in the head and ask "why did I fight this?". The terminal is not as horrible as you see it, and can even improve your productivity (since the majority of applications integrate commands that aren't available in the gui). You may have the majority of your code automatically written, but it is something you still must view and manipulate, I'm sure. Then you shou…

This is not "joining the Linux Culture", Tom. It is a willingness to Use The basics. No one at any point said anything whatsoever about all users having to turn into programming gurus. You shifted the goal posts in order to support your attack of "looking down their nose."

The thing is, what this statement does is shifts the responsibility of the user onto those that provide support as a derogatory statement- that something is "wrong" with Linux users that expect users to be responsible and willing to learn.