POP OS to abandon Gnome

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#50

No, it is not.
You do not get to sidestep the guidelines by claiming that you believe that your personal attack was an accurate one.
Whether it is or is not accurate is not the point.

The point is to attack the idea not the people.
Criticize flaws in the idea to test the idea for merit. Do not assume personal traits of the people and then attack them.
Calling people who do not agree with your point of view "just a bunch of wannabe's" is a fallacy that does not address the merits of any idea.

This statement is 100% inaccurate.
I have read the code - the theming infrastructure does, 100%, change. Partly due to the removal of several widgets.

This is Dodging and shifting the goal posts. Clear point: WHY does the GTK team think that theming is better handled by platform libraries (Which lock it in)? What is their reasoning for this?

This statement is very misleading. Yes, it does mean those things; Unless Gnome /GTK team signs off permission to change the theme to a dark theme. So, it is only accurate to say "it does not mean" as long as it includes the qualifier of "it does not mean you cannot change to a dark theme - as long as you get permission from Gnome who has taken full control of the functionality, first. In writing."

What Goals?

Is that how we are wording being on bended knee trying to get permission from Gnome to customize ones own system? "Working together?"
And this is Unecessary. That is the most crucial part... What made GTK / Gnome believe it was necessary to "work together" to change the system from a user being able to apply a less-eyestrain dark theme without asking Gnome for Written permission to one where they must do so?

Instead of in the hands of the User where it has been up until now and where it belongs.

Your see with eyes wide open.
Many people instigate something in order to serve self-interest, then complain bitterly that there is something wrong with everyone else.

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#51

People will use google or someting to read what those differences are. When i started with linux 3 months ago i did some research. I ended with zorin os 16 because there was alot of great news from that distro which made me curious. Since then i never booted into windows, infact there will be no more data mining windows machines ever in our home again.

The more options people will have the better. Some people like gnome, some like xfce, some like kde or cinnamon. I use gnome but i love cinnamon. I will swap one day, but for now i am happy with what i have.

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#52

I agree. I do not understand the opposition to having choices. Oh no... Options!? This is baad!!

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#53

There is this book called Paradox of Choice. I read it years ago. It was quite eye-opening to me.

Sometimes consumer are unhappy to be given too many choices, such as shelfful of different shampoo brands.

For me, ultimate anti-choice is macOS.
Users are completely locked in not only in software but also in hardware - unless one takes the less travelled Hackintosh route which I did in the past.

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#54

That os true. No choice like a closed a fish in the box.

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#55

sardine_en_boite_tissu

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#56

I haven't read that book, so I will not comment on it. However, I do understand the notion of 'information overload' and how that can be quite daunting to someone seeking insight about a product that is new and foreign to them.

Yet, I hesitate to fault the amount of options available. Instead, If I could fault anything it would be the amount of quality options available. And to me, this is probably the concern of most people who start looking for alternatives in areas they are unfamiliar with.

To return back to the issue with Gnome, Ubuntu and the like (as it pertains to Linux and the community that Linux is (or was intended to be), I always cringe when I see developers begin to pander to corporate interests. I understand the need for revenue and to pay people for their hard work, but when corporations are sought out as revenue streams this is the point where community voices and visions begin to vanish and the demands of a few begin to dictate how things evolve going forward.

This direction, in my humble opinion, is against the very fiber of anything Linux/FOSS. It takes away the voices of the many and replaces it with the desires of a few well funded sources.

My concern at this point is the hints of decay within what used to be such a great Linux/FOSS community. Which begins when the desire of developers to seek and attract corporate interests starts to obfuscate the desires of those communities that they were initially developed to help. It will eventually result in the capitulation of freedom and reduction of choice.

Sorry for the rant, but I do feel better now :slightly_smiling_face:

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#57

Important in Linux user always have a choice of freedom any GUI on distribution and customization.

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#58

If I were able to show new Linux users how many features have been removed in the just the gnome files application since gnome 3.0 I think they would very be surprised. The features were removed to simplify the code and because developers simply decided without any input from the user base that they weren't needed.

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#59

I've said this before, I will say it again. Gnome needs to be cut loose, they need to be fired from the Linux community. Kick their butts out of it. They have violated FOSS in so many ways. It is obviously they want to be the next Microsoft, or at least, be just like Microsoft.

I don't think Gnome deserves to be operating in the FOSS community any longer. They need to be kicked out, boycotted. I am sick and tired of them constantly going against FOSS, and doing shady stuff like removing functionality and saying the GPT license is stifling them.

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#60

I second that. More options might seem like a good thing, but that is not always true. If you are a reader like me...Consider reading this article which is not related to this thread.

EDIT:

Ok I did not read this post by FrenchPress before posting my comment. Seems like you already have something to read but the article I posted is also worth looking into, so you can read that as well.

#61

For me what I can sayed to developer is best from users if it comes for some way like M$ then linux start loosing a people to developer and it will be only some people. What diffrents will be if Linux=M$? Maybe it comes to anarchy? If linux evolved from some stable distribution then it must be continuity - to many new distros with new code could gived more chaos and confuse in user sociality. The choice distribution is good but important a code and gui will be compatible, many diffrents code will be unstable for me and lower security.

#62

Yep, and its quite clear that Microsoft is already rocking the boat with their Windows11. Its known to be faster then Gnome, considerably. But the real question is, is Windows11 faster then XFCE? Microsoft latest OS's come package with telemetry, that has got to play a part against them speed wise. Some people think that when the first updates begin rolling on through, the updates will break the system like the Windows 10 updates did.

But at the end of the day, MS wants to rock the boat, get people to doubt about Linux cause Gnome sucks so bad. This is why XFCE needs to make a greater impact in the Linux community. The faster that the Zorins release OS 16 LITE the better. Give people the incentive to throw Windows11 in the shredder!

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#63

I saw on yt channel W11 de facto is W10 when you checked a script. W11 is only a make up to believe this is something new.
This is also market tips in audio. The same model selling with up number and expensive price. I remember radeon hd7000 some version was the same the good model was selled with higher a number and but the same parameters.
For me Zorin Lite will be good choice. I saw core is awesome.

#64

to me this is just LARPing

#65

also

the new linus tech tips video where popOS makes linux look really bad

#66

But overall LTT substantiate everything gnome is working towards

#67

Also some sense from Gardiner Bryant

#68

Nah for me he is actor. He cannot decide what side he want to be.
He know then he lost many companies what are doing a money for tutorial doing some products in future. He is what i can thinking where wind comes with more money then I go?

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#69

this didn't make much sense trying to read it