The worst of bugs/glitches

I really hate when those bugs/glitches occur and I don't have any idea at all on how to reproduce them again to screenshot or record them to give more details and proofs to developers. Good thing that I like taking screenshots (maybe too often :face_with_diagonal_mouth:) so I know what I'm saying. For example, this :point_down: happened while organizing Applications, the shortcut stopped there.


And this :point_down: instead I don't remember, probably I just opened the activity overview or closed another window.

Proprely wayland bug. Try switch to X11 and see if it persist.

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Both happened when I was still using X11 and also I can't reproduce them, I don't know how I did them exactly. I won't spend a whole afternoon dragging around shortcuts and opening the activities overview continuously like a desperate :computer::tired_face:.

I too felt some sort of instability when organizing mine, such as difficulty scrolling to other pages by holding down shortcuts and creating folders by dragging one shortcut to another, sometimes not applying the corresponding action immediately. I had to move the cursor away and put it back where I wanted it to finish organizing in a reasonable time :unamused::clock3::smile:.

If you are talking about the new Zorin OS, bugs and glitches are to be expected.
My preference is to stay one step behind the latest OS.
When things are sorted I will then move on.
New software is tested by people like us.
I use a VM for that.

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The first one happened to me on both, Zorin 16 and 17 a few times, along with some other bugs, like the name of the program being on the second line of text for one single program, leaving a weird space between the icon and the text.

I have never seen the second one before.

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:unamused::person_facepalming:

These bugs are specific to the Gnome-Shell, not the display manager.
The usual culprits are layout management and UI presets. Gnome prefers that the Gnome Desktop Environment maintain a dominant consistency and therefor, tries to manage the appearance of an application in ways preferred by Gnome, regardless of the user settings. Things like Font rendering, text wrapping and dynamic UI layout are affected by this and users can only expect it to get worse as Gnome releases arrive, not better.
I realize I bluntly speak against Gnome often: this is exactly why, though. Desktop integration that forces Gnome Application Users to be Gnome D.E. users, libadwaita and other elements that seek control over the user are exactly why we left Microsoft.
These are the same behaviors. I remember when I first switched from Windows OS to Zorin OS (Core), I felt just as bottled up and containerized as I did on Windows.
It wasn't until I branched out into the more liberated GnuLinux D.E.'s that I finally felt free and clear.
At the time it was kind of a shock. It's like buying a house, living in it for 7 months, then opening what you thought was a closet door in a hallway only to discover it leads to the ballroom, parlor and billiards tables.

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How can GNOME go on anyway despite all such critics from users? It's not the first time that users have complaints about GNOME, at least reading here on the forum.

Reason why I now moved to Plasma, I can edit everything! :smiley:
I'm done with the critics of Gnome, it's simple counter intuitive, because they only listening to themselves.

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Yeah, this is what I often read :face_exhaling:.

I'd like to play devil's advocate here for a minute.

My only grudge with Gnome is their attitude towards the community and some of the decisions made that restrict functionality and limits customization.
However, I like the desktop environment itself and the keyboard-oriented workflow that it promotes. Even the out of the box, extension-less desktop environment looks and feels good. It is only when you try to go beyond what is immediately offered that you run into walls.

For people like me, who don't care much about looks nor customization, it's quite appealing. Ironically, the only extension that I would typically install is the one that makes window corners rounded, which purely aesthetic.

Some of the things that I dislike about Gnome:

  1. Too minimalist. Things like the desktop should not be removed, they are useful on their own right, and using an extension just for that is ridiculous.

  2. Poor support for the extension API. Extensions keep breaking on every update which is one of the reasons I got used to using none. It's really tiring having to go hunt for workarounds with every other update.

  3. I really don't like their obsession with technologies like Flatpak and Wayland. There is plenty of evidence to argue that while promising, don't deliver on their promises nor are they suitable for a lot of cases. This is particularly damaging to folks new to Linux who run into issues that don't happen on their respective alternatives. At this point, it's not only irrational to push for it they way they do, but also damaging to Linux, as it perpetuates the notion that it is only for geeks and techies.

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So a vanilla Gnome Desktop without any extensions? If it wasn't for the Zorin brothers putting stuff nicely into place, I find Gnome vanilla annoying.

If people want to test out how Vanilla Gnome was meant to be used (according to the devs). Try a live DVD/USB of Fedora 40 - Gnome.

Yeah, no extensions :smiley: I've tried it in multiple distributions with great success: Debian, Fedora and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Coming from Zorin OS it was a bit of a shock at first, but it didn't take me long to get used to it. But like I said, you'll have a better time if you don't have very high expectations to change things around too much.

My biggest gripe with Gnome is how strongly they resemble Microsoft in controls, lack of user support and ambition.

The calendar overlay “compressed” itself :smile:. And moreover the numbers in the taskbar are still clickable.


Beyond this, on the desktop it closes by itself by clicking other numbers at random. Trying in the activity overview and the AppGrid it only “compresses” itself, never close.