Arctic Fans aren't bad. I used a P12 in the Past, too. They are cheap, have Power and are relatively quiet. Not he quietest in general, but there are not Turbines.
YES. My god; I'd go for the ugly beige boxes of the 90s before RGB everywhere. Maybe I'm just old, but I truly do not see the appeal. I've got a cheap 60% size keyboard that I use with my Steam Deck that wants to go crazy with color every time it powers up, and I immediately turn off all the damn lights.
I, for one, did not like that light beige color then and I do not like it now.
For the sake of nostalgia, I enjoy seeing old machines. That does not make them pretty.
I find the flashing, rolling and blinking RGB annoying, particularly the vibrant display of colors. But I have found they can be useful. Having the backlit keyboard on one low level steady color has been a boon for late night typing.
The computer case lights set the same way also enables me to see and access ports or buttons on it in the dark without disturbance.
I don't like the beige color either; I'd just take it before a glass sided case with constant pulsating rainbow RGB nonsense. Illuminated keys and power buttons are entirely fine. Those lights serve a purpose beyond OMG RAINBOWS.
They cost extra money and over-all, add strain to the power grid. Per machine, not by much. In total, by a noticeable amount.
I think it is like Big Spoked wheels. They trend in, being unique.
Then the automakers start manufacturing stock vehicles sporting them.
Buyers, wishing to look unique like the vehicles they saw that had them, buy one.
Soon, they are not unique anymore.
The trend fades away.
RGB was a status symbol. It showed gamers how high society you were, what with the money to burn, you must have big RAM and beefy graphics. Glass case and lighting to show it all off.
Like the movie the Incredibles, once everyone is special, no one is.
The next trend may well be: Look at me, I virtue signal for the environment and got rid of my RGB.
That is ok about RGB. If the world is changed then you must also changing or to be a person what are you?
Really? Well one is one with RGB you don't need a christmas tree on Merry Christmas time.
Ha still have this notebook ? Did you have any issues the last 2 years with linux ? Why not upgrade the ram or nvme drives ?
I bought my MSI Crosshair 15 B12UGSZ-418NL very cheap in march 2023 when a user bought it for full price €2399 but send it back duo issues. He/she claimed the unit had high temps . I bought it from the shop for €1170 (second chance).
Temps where perfectly fine, yes during gaming the temps are higher but when you use cooler boost (fn + up key) the fans are running at 100% and temps go down again.
A few month later i upgraded the nvme drive, this unit has 2 slots so i bought 2 times the Samsung 990 pro 4TB. This machine came originally with 1 TB, now it has 8TB (overkill). MSI support could not confirm if this unit would run well with 8tb in it, they never have tested it. I messaged them back later that i did the tests for them .
I did 2 tests, with and without thermal pads. With thermal pads both nvme drives where 10c increased during gaming. Probably the heat got blocked by those pads because samsung added a small copper plated on it. So i removed those pads, checked again and temps got much better. Running for a year without pads without any issues.
A month later i could not resist to do a ram upgrade either, i replaced the 16GB and installed 2x 32GB Samsung 3200MHZ sodimm. I did alot of research because i saw alot of people on the msi forum and on reddit complaining this unit does not work with 64GB as MSI advertised with it. This unit is very picky in ram choice. I saw a message from someone who confirmed samsung is working, that’s great i thought because i love stuff from samsung.
This laptop is running everything so great, the design is quit good. It’s a shame i did not install linux earlier, i saw alot of complaints people could not get linux to run on the newer msi notebooks. A few months ago someone on the msi forum posted that the kernel did get upgraded for newer msi notebooks (including mine) and added some ec stuff in it. Since i saw that message i was so tempted to test, did some homework and finally made the switch.
Correct, I still have this notebook. I aimed to buy a machine in 2021 to last me 10-years, (my hopes) and so far, my machine has been holding up nicely, and remaining currant.
I have not had any serious issues that were not caused by me, using Linux. I have only had miner issues due to incompatibility, that I am still waiting for, which are likely already solved by now, or will be in the future, with Zorin OS 18. I have been using Linux since Zorin OS 9.
The state of Windows was already bad, back in the Windows 10 days. But now its worse in the Windows 11 times, and I've heard its yet again going to get worse, in the Windows 12 days. My decision to switch to Linux years ago, was a correct one.
The notebook originally came with a single 1TB NVME drive, I upgraded with a 2nd 1TB NVME drive. It won't be long before I upgrade it with a 3rd drive, but this time it will be an external NVME drive, that I will plug into the 20GBPS USB-C port.
I have not had any serious temp issues, partly due to the fact that I am not pushing the computer to push 200FPS or more, (due to the fact I use only a 60-FPS external display) and due to the fact I am using a notebook cooler pad.
Either the previous owner wasn't using a cooler pad, or their smaller notebook had a terrible performing built in cooler, or they were pushing it too hard, or all of the above. My notebook comes with two blower style coolers, and lots of copper heat pipes, and 4 external vents, as its a large 17" machine, not a compact unit. (which seems to be all the craze these days, slim down machines that overheat)
I also have cooler boost, I never have to use it, because again, I don't push my computer to 100% load, as I don't use a 300FPS external display, so it never needs to be pushed that hard. I also adjusted my internal cooler fan speed curves, to keep my computer quiet, and not start ramping up, until the CPU/GPU temps begin hitting 45C. And they don't become audible till the temps hit 50C and above.
NICE! Back in 2021 - 2022, 2TB and 4TB NVME drives were far too expensive still, and I couldn't afford them. 1TB NVME drives were still around 120-140 dollars at the time, 2TB was like 200 - 400 dollars, and 4TB was like 1000 dollars. You sound like you are speaking of more currant times, when NVME drive prices have fallen.
I agree that 8TB is overkill. Because unless you plan to turn an individual computer into a server or storage center, thats just not necessary. It actually makes more sense to have 8TB in a NAS box, that you connect to, on your local network, or direct USB plugin.
If there is one thing I could name specifically in my computer, that showed any signs of overheating, was my NVME drive that the OS is on. But the only time that happens, is when the computer overclocks by a considerable degree.
Like if I am intentionally pushing it to 4.5GHZ or more. I am not certain why the BIOS automatically overclocks the NVME drive, when overclocking the CPU/GPU, but for some strange reason it does. Its one of the big reasons why I bought the best noteboo cooler pad I could, that has blower fans in it.
I do wish that the NVME drives, had their own copper heat pipes, to integrate with the main notebook cooler, but they don't design notebooks this way, as it would add more depth to the overall computer, making it looks like 2012 again, and they know people don't want that, people are used to the slimmer designs, and thats what they prefer.
Nice! When I selected my computer at purchase, I already got mine with 32GB of 3200MHZ DDR4 RAM. 64GB of RAM however is not required, unless a person is doing lots of VM's on their machine, or they are doing super heavy production workloads.
My best advice when choosing RAM, is to take your current stick of RAM out, and just match everything it says on your RAM chip, to the RAM kit that you are going to purchase, there is no way you can screw it up then. Only difference is, you buy a larger RAM kit.
My computer is capable of using up to 128GB of RAM, (I think) but I have absolutely 0-reason to need that, overkill, and waste of money. 32GB is fine for me, and I never fill it up. The most RAM usage I have ever used, was 20GB out of my 32GB.
I have a post on the board, of everything I had to do, to get my computer ready for Linux, and the challanges I faced at the time, when I installed Zorin OS. It wasn't a dreamy cakewalk, but overall, it helped that I knew what I needed to do, in order to get it done.
But Linux is getting better and better everyday. Lots of improvements have been made to Linux, most notably ones from the Zorin OS team, who always seems to excel, where other Linux OS's do not. Overall, Linux can be done on an MSI computer, its just that you might have to put in a little leg work is all.
I prefer to do the leg work, and customize my distro and settings to work for me, then to stay on Windows, signing my life away, to a corporate giant monopolistic greedy company. Thats just the way I see it. I am glad that you are enjoying your Linux experience, on your MSI machine. Enjoy!