I believe it is important for users to discuss the issues, exchange ideas and be aware of the many ideas involved. ZorinGroup does an excellent job of making Gnome Desktop usable, functional and appealing.
We users need to be informed of both sides; the pros and the cons. The comments and arguments in favor of what Gnome offers and the arguments against some of what Gnome is doing.
Being informed means we are more empowered. It also can help smooth rough roads.
Let's say I am put in a position of having to use Gnome D.E. for one reason or another. My discussions with TGRush in which he helps me examine the Other Sides of Gnome can help make that experience more tolerable or utility, rather than being a nightmare.
I stand corrected, then. I always assumed this was the case based on how some bugs appeared and disappeared on them at the same time, the similar looks, etc.
I understand what you're saying but I feel like we are also drifting away from the point of resizing a window into other compositor-related changes (like their lack of Server-Side-Decorations on Wayland, or their controversial removal of tray icons)
If we go back to GNOME-Terminal, I can assure you that GNOME-Terminal resizing in a grid is put into place using X11 APIs intentionally as a design decision of the developers behind it, and that this behavior is replicated on other Desktop Environments / Window Managers.
Although, to get back to the point of how GNOME works: I get it, they do a lot of dumb sh**, and a lot of it doesn't really suit...many people. But at the same time I can understand that GNOME Developers want to make certain changes as part of what they want GNOME to become. Personally, I don't know which side I would rather part with.
I didn't feel the need to do a background-check and haven't seen that mentioned in other threads up until this point, so I did not know to begin with. I apologize for any assumptions that I have made regarding your knowledge on the topic.
Well as I have stated elsewhere, Gnome is lucky to be still around, considering it was on the verge of Bankruptcy in 2013. When I started my GNU/Linux journey my preference was for the Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) as it most closely resembled Windows. However, Gnome was superior in one key area, Accessibility, in particular, Orca, the screen reader developed by a vision impaired employee of Sun Microsystems. All KDE had to offer was KMouth which was neither use nor ornament. As time has gone on, boundaries have become blurred as it is now quite easily possible to integrate Gnome applications into KDE (Plasma), including MX-Linux 23.1 KDE, and KDE neon user releases. In terms of the Screenshot application, Team Zorin have informed me that it is their intention to include a timer in a future release. For now we can still use better alternatives such as Shutter and Spectacle.
I do agree on this point.
I think we can expand this point in certain regards... I do not know and I have not yet checked about gtk4 in use with Gnome Terminal. Gnome Terminal is kind of a funny animal, since it held onto many features and aspectes eliminated in all other Gnome Apps.
As an example any user can go look at in Zorin OS 16: Gnome Terminal retained a Menubar.
At least pre-4+, Gnome Terminal was kind of a stand-apart app.
From their own words, Gnome Developers want to lead Gnome to be more like Android - Heavily integrated with the shell and much less customizable.
If you examine Gnome4+, you can find the similarities to how Mobile Apps work and run.
Certainly, all developers have a path in mind. ZorinGroup does, as well. Certainly, they cannot act upon any and all feedback and please everyone.
But they can act on the Majority Feedback. And this is something the Gnome Devs do not do. Instead, they address user complaints with explanations of why we must accept Gnomes Vision.
I want to quote myself, here:
We can have disagreements and discuss them - doing so helps me to examine the points I may neglect or have a bias against.
I realize that my saying that I have biases can be used against me... But; We all have biases. The best way to mitigate them is to examine the merits of arguments made against your biases.
I am not in any way offended by your posts. I find them helpful. It is true that I am and have been beyond frustrated with Gnomes actions and maneuvers for a long time.
This does not mean I dislike the Gnome Desktop Environment. And I can see many good points about the D.E. that many users prefer it.
It is still important that users can read and acknowledge Gnome Dev Direction - for the very reason of preserving the functionality (What remains) in Gnome D.E. for themselves.
Maybe without Extensions, e.g. as delivered by Zorin devs, that user preference may falter.
I am one of those users that run Core (Gnome) as it works adequately for my purposes (so far).
There is a very big difference between stock Gnome and Zorin Desktop...
I mentioned earlier about needing to use a test rig. This is where things get tricky.
With Zorin Desktop, I can readily forget that users may not have the extensions or tweaks that make using the Gnome (Core) Desktop flow so easily. On Zorin OS 16 Core, I only need to make two modifications to it: Launching new windowed apps does not minimize to the panel (taskbar) and less pinned apps. That's it.
So I use another distro that is more bare bones for the first round of testing, then switch back to Zorin Core for the rest.
I am pretty passionate about feeling protective of GnuLinux and user controls. It is the entire reason I moved from Windows OS to GnuLinux. I feel as though I made the switch too late... When I switched over, I would look up guides and tutorials and read all about what people can do, what control they have and what features are available, only to learn that those guides are too old and all of that stuff has slowly and incrementally been removed.
In moving from Zorin OS 12 to 15 to 16, I was present and watching as Gnome removed more and more.
When a user likes Gnome Desktop (Or Zorin Desktop) and chooses it, it may seem like my comments about Gnome Developers decisions question the users likes; as though it is a slight against them for choosing the wrong desktop.
The desktop is just the front-end for what the Gnome Developers intend for GnuLinux. And the biggest takeaway is how the Gnome Devs, having control over GTK, affect every other desktop that is not Qt based. It's not just Gnome... any person that chooses a different desktop get shuttered, too.
It's not just Gnome. Canonical with their Snap Wars and Amazon advertising (now defunct) built in.
Red Hat - don't get me started...
What it goes to show is that it is not the entity; but the community. We need a community that is self-respecting and willing to be assertive. Willing to stand up for themselves and defend their position as the End User.
Just about every company will try to convince the End User that the user is beholden to the company and a second class citizen. They want the End User to believe that the user is not a part of the decision making processes and to never think about how the company would be absolutely nothing without those users to fund and provide the foundation for its very existence.