Might be ok for those users who don't mind being limited to flatpaks and the bloatware they create, but no thanks. The only store I would use is Apper, and generally Synaptic Package Manager, which can also be used for System Updates. Here is the low-down on bazaar:
Linux Bazaar Center
Bazaar is a Linux software center that has recently gained attention, particularly with the release of Bazzite, a custom image built upon Fedora Atomic Desktops. Bazzite includes a new app store called Bazaar, which focuses on Flatpak and allows for direct curation of recommendations. This app store is designed to offer better performance than other app stores and has been tweaked to remove certain Flatpaks like Steam that could cause problems.
For users looking to install Bazaar, it can be installed on various platforms including major Linux distributions, Mac OS X, and Microsoft Windows. The installation process involves adding a PPA to your system and updating package repositories. For Fedora users, specific commands are provided to install Bazaar.
Bazaar has also been mentioned in the context of Linux software management, with some users noting that it could change the way software is managed on Linux systems. However, some users have expressed concerns about its reliance on Flatpaks and the lack of support for other package formats. Despite this, Bazaar is seen as a potential alternative to other app stores like GNOME Software and KDE’s Discover store.
If you read the post more closely you would see if was an A.I. result and to correct any errors. As @zenzen said, it would have been useful to have provided more information. It would also have saved any conflagration.
What I know from living life is that when two people argue or fight - Both are at fault for their decisions.
What we can do is choose control over our own actions and responses.
...And I think you can take ownership for these types of accusations.
The same could be said of Flatpak which causes a lot of issues for people who are not aware of how it works. Even for basic operations like drag & drop, in some apps.
If it works, there's nothing wrong in suggesting alternatives.
Like you said, this is a beginner friendly distribution and most people wouldn't even know where to look for alternative software, desktop environments or other distributions if they ever needed or wanted to. In fact, a lot of us here don't even run Zorin OS ourselves.
Unlike other forums, we do welcome those who share their experiences with other distributions or talk about them. We even sometimes have people asking for help with issues after being shooed away in their respective forums for their distribution...
Let this be a reminder that we are all here to help and share. And we all make mistakes. @swarfendor437 thought you were talking about another app. That was clearly mistake. Your ad hominem remarks might be provocative. Let's just drop them, please.
There's no reason to attack the poster instead of the idea, though. Synaptic is not be as beginner friendly, I do agree on that, but it does work better in some cases as well.
I for one would welcome yet another option, as I'm not quite happy with neither Synaptic nor the Gnome Software.
I must point out that Swarf posted a copy/pasted output of A.I. that partially was correct (It identified Bazaar, the software management application) but it also confused Bazaar with Canonical's BZR version control tool which Canonical retired. So, the A.I. output was a mix of accurate and inaccurate information - it confused me quite a bit when I read it.
I must be very honest here... If using A.I., I think a user should vet and fact check what they post. We really want to strive to post accurate information.
To be fair, I think most members will repeat their opinions and experiences on topics that include them.
Yes, Swarf does mention certain things like systemd, pulseaudio, Devuan, PCLOS often. Doing so does not infract on the forum guidelines. Informing and exchanging ideas is what Forums Are For.
It's probably less stressful on you to acknowledge that they, like all of us, are opinionated and move on to the next post.
In context, this makes sense for your point of view.
As I pointed out above, Bazaar appears to be a Flatpak Curating application, rather than a Gnome Software Store replacement.
In that context, an application like Synaptic, which has no involvement with Flatpaks, does land out of place.
I think this is something that has been unclear from the beginning of this thread.
Your wording here implies Replacing Gnome Software:
It is unable to replace Gnome Software as a Package Manager, as it has no support for native packaging.
As a replacement, rather than an addition; that makes the context one in which any replying member would comment about Package Managers, rather than an additional Flatpak curating application.
Does viewing it this way - showing two different contexts - add clarity to understanding each other?
This is also true.
The Bazaar contributor is, interestingly, a Gnome project contributor:
I suspect that is why they specifically align this as an app For Gnome and for the purpose of supplying Gnome Flatpak.
So, the whole thing really centers on Gnome and Gnomes development of Flatpak as a promotion. This is an opinion piece from me... But I tend to often check behind the scenes to get better insight into the why of things, not just the how. These often are clues to how we are being led to where someone else wants us to go.
Would this not conflict with your point above about fwupd?
For me, this forum is one of the few where there is a really good tone and questioners are not constantly criticised for asking something. Maybe we can do the same when it comes to proposing changes for Zorin?
Many people here try to help each other as best they can. Unfortunately, it is inevitable that mistakes will be made. This is certainly not intentional and can sometimes happen despite the best endeavours, especially if the OP's question is not entirely clear, e.g. due to translation problems or a lack of more precise information. Please be gracious to all those who try to address your concerns.
I agree on this front. While I personally choose to avoid the Flatpaks (my experiences have been dismal), that is what free open source and user preference are all about.
Having Bazaar to curate and manage Flatpaks could be beneficial to those users that prefer them and it is aligned with the ZorinGroups goals in some regards.
Summary
I would have preferred to separate out some of the off topic exchanges to a new thread, leaving this one cleaner.
However, I ran into two problems:
Many of the relevant replies are integrated with the heated exchanges.
Some of the involved members have DM's (PM's) disabled, which limits our ability to privately address some concerns, making it remain in the public thread.
Members have the right to avoid DM's and for good reason. But in a case like this... It does create a public arena.
Mistakes are best handled by admitting what we can correct, learning from them, then leaving them behind as we walk into a better attitude.
