Installing Photoshop CC Linux and Illustrator CC Linux in Zorin OS

Highlighted in red - drop down menu:

I can see the "Select File Type By Extension"
but when clicked on - there is no list of file types to choose from.
I have clicked on everything I can see, and there is no visible list of options. Can you take a screenshot of the options list, please?

I see you're using Zorin lite, it's a great looking GUI.


The list is long, as you can see by the scrollbar on the far right side.
Maybe it is a sensitive and small area to click on. Having used it much, my hand knows where to go?
I checked and GIMP does not require any additional plugins to be installed to populate this list.

That GUI is my Anubis theme which... I cannot remember off the top of my head if I ever uploaded it to the repository or kept this one all to myself.

Very cool
Did you create the Anubis theme yourself?

I found it!
I've been looking in the wrong place.
I'm used to seeing the dropdown list on the lefthand side.

I got the text tool to work as well,
but selecting a font is not so easy - it seems that the font name
must be typed manually, as well as the font size.

I've been trying out the tools in GIMP, some tools work in much the same way as in Photoshop, and others very differently.

Undoubtedly, I will find some specialised use for photoGIMP.
It will take time to familiarise myself with the programme.

I can't help but wonder why some Developer Gnome can't just create
a plugin for GIMP which transforms the GNU UI into a Photoshop UI,
with the same tools, keystrokes, and functionality as Photoshop.
How difficult could it be?

It would be a seriously disruptive product.

I had similar reservations to you about Gimp. I have had better experience with Krita. Admittedly I have only so far used it for simple edits, but it supports adjustment layers, PSD support (I don't know to what degree). And has its own learning curve, but IMO a nicer interface.

Yes, I make my own themes. Now you know some of what I use GIMP for. :wink:

Agreed. This is annoying to me, too. And, it will reset each time, necessitating having to supply the desired font and size and color - each time.
That, to me is a basic QoL issue that blows my mind.

That's Impressive! Really excellent work.

Exactly. And not even a font previewer.

This is clearly a design philosophy issue. One of the hallmarks of crowd developed "costless" software - where there is no incentive to achieve excellence, the result is 'generic mediocrity'.

Photoshop quickly became an industry standard by developing an image processor which could do anything a real photo-lab could do, plus much more besides. Adobe learned a lot by way of feedback from professional designers.. what professionals demand and expect from an image processor.

The collective entity known as the GNU/GIMP Project has not made the effort to adopt the same strategy. At the very least it should aim for parity with Photoshop, e.g. the same tool bar layout, in the same location, with the same tools (which work the same or better), the same menu with the same functions, filters, and so on..
to provide the same ergonomic workflow as Photoshop.

But this is Not the way of FREE software (free as in 'free beer').

I believe there has to be an incentive to achieve excellence.
Industry standard software applications should come at a cost,
to compensate developers for their time and labour.
Otherwise you get digital cheese-on-toast.

Adobe has shifted to the other extreme - Beligerent Extortion.
They know their product is the unchallenged industry standard,
and - like a drug cartel - they are more than willing to exploit professionals and layusers alike, for the sake of massive top-line growth.

I don't foresee the GIMP Project changing their tune anytime soon.
It will take a private company with a CEO dictator to develop a disruptive substitute for Photoshop, it will take millions of Euro, and tens of millions of lines of well thought out code to get it right. No püssyfooting.

It should be coded exclusively for Linux, with no porting -
And cost hundreds of Euro to Own Outright, for life.

Programme coding by the numbers:

Ref - https://en.softonic.com/articles/programs-lines-code

I disagree that Adobe is superior to anything else on the market in terms of Windows apps. A company called InDesign left Adobe behind and use nothing but Affinity products which have one off prices which are great value for money. They also publish extensive manuals in hardback should you need them. Just a shame there is no GNU/Linux version.

InDesign is an Adobe desktop publishing programme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_InDesign

There's also a company called Indesign LLC -- a multi-discipline engineering design firm. https://indesign-llc.com/company/
But I don't reckon this is the company you're refering to.

In any case.. Superiority is not as important as Consistency.
Photoshop is not only a programme, it's a way of doing things.
The industry standard way of doing things

Some Windows Apps like Affinity Photo are seen as alternatives to Photoshop,
but Affinity Photo has it's own tool space and UI.
It's not a Photoshop work-a-like. Although it has a quite smart looking UI,
plus Serif Ltd are a UK company, and not a Silicon Valley monolith.

Serif has no intention of developing, or porting their App to Linux (Ever).
They have explicitly said so.
Adobe have made it more than clear they don't give a toss about Linux.
In fact Adobe Hates Linux.

Time for somet' new, thanos -- as they say in Sheffy.

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Time for summat noo, tha knows -- as they actually say in Sheffield! (and I am a Cheshire Cat! :smile_cat:

A Cheshire Cat posher in Sheffy? : P
I'm a Yorkie Bar - me.

Worked in Doncaster for years, just a stone's throw from Sheff.

Not that posh. I was born in a rented cottage, next door to a Manchester Overspill Estate - North East Cheshire to be precise. Studies brought me to Sheffield Polytechnic, had jobs from the sublime to the ridiculous. My longest employment was my last, a Vision Support Technician, modifying documents into Large Print and Braille for students from 2-25. Home village is now part of Greater Manchester - and I am not a Lanky lad!

Being born in a rented cottage in Cheshire sounds proper poetic.
Unlike Johnny Clarke's fully furnished dustbin in Manchester.
I were born in Acaster, and started studies at Leeds Poly (now Leeds Uni), then finished at York Uni. Worked some weird jobs myself (especially in Donny) before moving from England to Germany. Ended up with a swedish wife in Sweden.

My first go at editing in photoGIMP..
A replacement splash screen with "Fotogeschäft"
(a literal translation of Photoshop - auf Deutsch), 'Fotowerkstatt', or 'Fotostudio' are more correct. Also my first modification of the App.

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That is very good! :purple_heart:

Of course it helps that you were coming at it already as a professional, from all your training and usage, of Photoshop. But I have to admit, I'm impressed with your first real usage of Gimp!

You've already proven that Gimp can be a substitution for Photoshop, at least in certain areas. You can make a lot of art with Gimp, and its clear your already better at using Gimp then I am, because of your Photoshop training.

Back when I was on Windows, I used Photoshop Elements. I have the 2000 and the 2008 version. But I never had any professional training, I just needed it to edit my photo's.

But Gimp is perfectly good enough as a photo editor. It might not hold up to the professional caliber of Photoshop, but like I said, I am not a professional.

The only thing I am remotely a pro at, is small engine mechanics. I am certainly quite techy with computers, I've built several of them myself, but I am not remotely a certified professional in anything computers.

Anyways, putting the differences between Windows and Linux aside for the moment, its clear you can make art with Gimp, you just got to believe in yourself. And after what I just seen, I most certainly believe in you.


It wasn't that poetic. Cottage built of brick not stone c.1850. No cavity wall, no inside WC or bathroom until I was 16. Coal fire in living room, paraffin heaters in bedrooms, damp house which led to a lot of absences from Primary School and I was always off ill when something special had been planned like visiting a theatre in Manchester to watch Alice through the Looking Glass. But the love my parents had for me was priceless.

Thanks! =)
Nothing spectacular this.. just a test edit to see what I'm up against.

Even though the photoGIMP shell has no effect on the functional side of GIMP -- it does make it a little easier to navigate, less disorientating anyway. I think GIMP is a good programme for creative persons who don't really need a high-end workstation like Photoshop.
And being free of cost is good for students living on the cheap.

Photoshop Elements are basically a stripped down version of Photoshop CS, designed for non-professional creative persons.
For years Elements were the Go-To software for those who did not
have rolls of 500, Euro notes burning a hole in their pockets.

Today.. Elements is no longer for sale as an 'ownable-for-life' software product, it exists only in the aery-faerie subscription cloud.
For Adobe - this business model is like printing money.

There are far too few women engineers and mechanics, so it's nice to come accross one. So you have a talent for small IC motors?

That's rough Mate. Of course having kind loving parents makes all the difference. Hopefully you have it more cushy in Sheffield.
The worst I had to contend with growing up were floods,
since we had the River Ouse just behind our back garden in Acaster Malbis.

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Agreed, which is why I never bought the full Adobe Photoshop CS suite, I didn't have 500 dollar burning a hole in my pocket lol. Plus, you need training to use that full suite.

Photoshop Elements took enough time as it was, for me to learn it on my own, only using a few guides online. But in fairness to it, it had all the tools that I needed, I created a few neat things with it.

This has bothered me too, since I switched to Linux many years ago, I don't know when Adobe made that change. I think their switch to subscription payments is sickening.

Having said that, after I got my new phone, that actually has a CPU and enough RAM to do something performance wise, I got Adobe Lightroom APP for around 5 dollars a month.

I absolutely hate that I have to pay monthly for it. Having said, its an even more stripped down version of Photoshop Elements. It does allow me to make basic edits to my photo's, on my phone.

Even though I am not the biggest fan of AI, I do find its use in Lightroom useful, where it can auto blur the background, and then I can adjust its focus. That feature alone was worth paying for.

I forgot something! Lightroom is actually free, but if you want to use the powerful AI features for example, you have to pay for it. It took me forever to blur a background in Gimp, cause I had to do it manually, a painstakingly long process!

But AI does it in like 10-seconds! So Adobe Lightroom has become more useful to me then Gimp, for most run of the mill shots. Edit lighting, color, focus, and you can even mask off objects using AI, and it does a fairly good job with that.

Agreed, so few indeed! If you are talking about Briggs IC engines, they were one of the best flat-head engines Briggs ever made. They were built to last forever, if one takes care of them. They were even better then their consumer class flat-head engines.

Briggs first opposed twins in the 90's were pretty amazing engines too, they had a unique sound to them, but of course drank more fuel to feed 2-cylinders, and a few more things that could go wrong.

Then in the 2000's, is when Briggs began cheapening out. Their tried and true classic, Briggs IC engines were falling out of favor, for larger twin cylinder engines, so they came out with their V-twin design.

I will admit, a Briggs 22HP V-twin engine, does have more horse power, then a 15HP IC engine. And you needed it, as LT's and GT's, were starting to be fitted with larger 46" to 60" cutting decks. It literally takes 5HP just to run the blades to 3200-RPM on those larger decks!

I will say, I still miss the days of the 15HP IC engines attached to the smaller 38" deck LT's. Like I said, those IC's were built to last! Then in the 20-teens, Briggs quality went completely in the gutter, before they declared bankruptcy.

The strongest Briggs engines, were of course the much older all cast iron engines, not just the inner sleeves! They were so heavy, you needed 2-persons to lift them, if they were LT riding mower engines.

Those never failed because they were built like tanks! OK, I think I should clarify that statement, they usually never perma-deathed. What usually caused them to fail running, was the points getting corroded, which can usually be easily fixed, by a simple use of sand paper, if the corrosion isn't too bad.

However, points corrosion was the main cause of those older engines losing fire. And this was what caused the biggest push, for switching to solid state ignition coils, in the 1980's.

Now everything is battery, battery, battery. I admit, I do have a few battery operated OPE tools myself, but depending on your size of property, (USA has some big lawns!) you could spend 3,000 dollars or more on a battery operated LT, and still not get your entire lawn mowed in 1-cut.

Battery is great for small tools, like weed wackers for example, but in mowers? Well, you better have a small lawn, like a town home lawn, otherwise, even a push battery operated mower, aint gonna get it done.

The same way I didn't have 500 dollars burning a hole in my wallet to buy Adobe Photoshop CS, is the same way most of us folks, don't have 1200 dollars burning a hole in our wallets, to buy a quality battery operated push mower, or 3000+ for an battery LT!


What are LTs and GTs?
Still using Horsepower in the US? 22HP.. so that's 16 kW
I'm not familiar with Briggs motors, I reckon it's a big name in America.

I became a master mechanic, not by choice, but by owning a lot of old British cars under the Austin marque, and MG marque. x)
In the end I could do a complete tear down and rebuild of a motor in an afternoon, consuming a full box of Daz (wash powder) as hand cleaner.

That's down to the world being in a climate crisis, and an energy transition
to full electric -- Except for Trump's new empire, of course.

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Getting back to Photoshop in Linux..

Those who are just starting out with Photoshop will need training -- Yes.
I never needed formal training in Photoshop, since I started using it in the 90s.
Each new version of Phoroshop had only minor changes, and a few new tools and functions, so bit by bit I adapted to all the versions up to the present.

I should add that anyone just starting out could just as easily use Affinity Photo, since there is no Photoshop UI habit to overcome.
Mind you, it means having to use Windows.

As for Illustrator..
Just started messing about with Inkscape -- I quite like the programme.
Never been thrilled with Illustrator to be honest, and Inkscape can also open files in .AI format. Exporting AI files means saving as .pdf, and renaming as .ai
in much the same way as M4V files can be renamed as MP4 files, without file conversion.
So Inkscape is quite enough for basic vector graphics.

A comparative overview of Inkscape and Illustrator can be found here >

https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/Inkscape_for_Adobe_Illustrator_users

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