Strimmers, Mowers and Tangents and other things!

I keep forgetting the cultural differences between our countries, when it comes to acronyms. LT is Lawn Tractor, GT is Garden Tractor, ZT is Zero Turn. These terms are actually coined by the manufacture's.

Older folks will call a string trimmer, a weed wacker. I think in Brittain and UK, you folks say Whipper Snipper, or Strimmer. Honestly, we could write a book on the cultural acronyms lol.

The only thing America uses KW for, is in electrical power plants, Kilowatt, Megawatt, Gigawatt. For decades our country has used Horse Power to rate an engines power. Then after a lawsuit happened a couple decades ago, our country started rating small enginses in CC's.

To anyone who is GenZ, that change won't matter or effect them. But to those of us who have actually lived awhile, that screws us up, because our brains got trained to say horse power, now we have to think of it in cubic centimeters.

The real problem, stems from the fact that the rest of the world uses the metric system, and America wanted to be different I guess, and came up with our own system, long before I was born.

Briggs and Stratten are a huge name in the US, as they used to be the industry leader in gasoline small engines. But like many companies who died in America, by not getting with the times, or treating the company as a hedge fund, they went under and declared chapter 11 bankruptcy.

This country imports far too many goods made in China, as China has pretty much has taken over the small engine market, and most of the good companies we had making stuff in our own country, are long gone. Honda was the latest on the chopping block, last year.

So the small engine world has been interesting to say the least, with all the corporate changes going on.

Thats awesome dude! I'm a hands on learner as well, as there is no better way to learn, then to get your hands dirty! I began my foyay into small engine education, when I took high school shop class. Back then, the school only had flat head engines to work on, but I learned a lot!

When it came time to get my certification, I was at a disadvantage, because I needed to further my education for overhead valve engines, since the were quickly becoming the new wave of the future. It was mostly written study, with a short bit of hands on education.

The great thing about battery, as long as the motor doesn't die, if its just a worn out battery, you just spend way too much, and replace it. The bad thing, that puts me out of a job. I'm already experiencing the shift, as more people are switching to battery.

Some still bring their battery mowers in for service, as the blade always needs sharpening, and most folks don't know how to properly sharpen a mower blade, so I make 25 bucks there, but you can't keep a shop open for that.

I barely made it through Covid, I ended up closing my shop, for which I thought was going to be permanent. However, as things started getting better, and people started leaving their homes again, I crawled out of unemployment for awhile just in time to re-open, an start working again.

Lots of businesses did experience a perma-death during the pandemic though, and never came back. As long as people still of gas powered machines that need serviced, then I still have a job.

And as much as they are pushing this battery stuff on us, there are still some machines that do absolutely terrible on battery, because they just don't last as long as a full tank of gas.

People up in northern climates, are learning that. As their battery operated snow blowers, run out of battery, before the job is done. Plus there's the issue with cost. You can buy a gasoline powered push mower for 200+ dollars, 400+ dollars for self propel.

A battery operated push mower, is closer to 350+ dollars, and a self propel mower is 500+ dollars. Then jump into lawn tractor or zero turn, now your looking at 3000 to 10,000 dollars. Most folks can't even afford it!

Thats why I don't have a battery operated mower yet. Having said that, I have a battery operated commercial Makita string trimmer, I coudn't afford the blower yet, so I didn't get that along with it. I also have a Milwaukee battery operated hedge trimmer.

And of course, all my shop tools are Milwaukee, as I switched to battery, and stopped using shop air, to run pneumatic impacts and ratchets. Now I just use shop air for inflating tires, or using the blow-gun tool.

Again, I think its really cool, that you've worked on some really neat cars, people pay a lot of money for the classics! And if you ever visited LA International Airport in California, you'll notice that they get a lot of classic cars, that rich people buy, and import here by plane. Some of those cars, still have the steering wheel on the right side lol.

The world is in a climate crisis indeed, just look what happened in LA California during winter time, half the dang city just burned down! I won't get into politics here, as that is against the forums guidelines. Just know, half the country is not happy it, and thats all I will say, so we move on...

Awesome! Glad you are liking it! Yeah, I pretty just use Gimp. But as you have seen, one of the wonderful things about Linux, is you can usually find several apps that do the same sort of thing, so if one doesn't work out, you can try another.

I want to thank you for taking the time to give Linux a real chance. Some folks, will try Linux for a day, and go back to Windows. And I thank you for just taking your time to learn it, and really give it a chance.

Also, thank you for the wonderful conversation, it was nice to talk shop with you for awhile.


In Britain they're called 'Grass Cutters' and 'Grass Trimmers.
What Americans call a 'Lawn' -- we call a 'Garden'.
What Americans call a 'Mower' -- we call a 'Grass Cutter'.

The difference between American (the language of America), and English (the language of England) is Vast! They are 2 distinct languages, with very different lexicons, spelling, grammar, syntax, semantics, pronunciation, and prosody.
Then even within England there are distinct dialects between counties.

Americans are actually using traditional English units.
The rest of the world shifted to metric units (now SI units), starting in 1795.
Today the US is the only remaining country still using ancient Anglo-Saxon units.

Cubic centimetre is properly written cm³
and this is an expression of volume. In the case of motors - the volume of a piston cylinder. So the power depends on the fuel burning in the cylinder.

Petrol has an energy density of 46 MJ/kg (megajoule per kilogramme),
LNG (liquified natural gas) has an energy density of 56 MJ/kg, and diesel only 45 MJ/kg. Where 1 Watt = 1 Joule-second. Power is always expressed in Watt.
There are actually 10 or more different units called "horsepower", each with a different value in Watt. Very Wacky.

No worries! (meaning: you're welcome!) (=
For me.. Linux is here to stay. Windows is only a utility extension now.

I know this is a side diversion from Photoshop, but I would dispute those "Britain" phrases. Here in UK the following phrases have always commonly been used in my lifetime:
Patch of close cut grass = lawn (as in lawn tennis)
Machine to cut lawn = lawn mower
Machine to cut edges and around objects = strimmer

Maybe do a websearch of " Edwin Beard Budding"

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Lawn is archaic English. Americans use a lot of archaic words
which have changed semantic meaning over time.
Then these same Americans have re-exported archaic words back to Britain.
Strimmer is a tradename.. A portmanteau of 'String Trimmer'

I grew up in Yorkshire - and we only ever used the words 'grass cutter', and 'garden'. -- Never mower, or lawn.

My lifetime began in 1971, in York (UK),
I never heard of a Strimmer.

American films and telly have been a massive influence on Britain
especially so in the last 3 decades, and consumer products in particular.

I remember when the word "been" were always a homonym for "bean".
Today it's fast becoming a homonym for "bin", as they pronounce it in the US.

Maybe do a websearch on Etymology or consult the OED (Oxford English Dictionary)

'Lawn' and 'Mower' are superannuated words which were never updated in America. Now they've been exhumed and repatriated.

(lawn | Etymology of lawn by etymonline)
"turf, stretch of grass," 1540s, laune "glade, open space in a forest or between woods," from Middle English launde (c. 1300), from Old French lande "heath, moor, barren land; clearing" (12c.), from Gaulish (compare Breton lann "heath"), or from a cognate Germanic word, from Proto-Germanic *landam-, source of English land (n.). The -d perhaps was mistaken for an affix and dropped. Sense of "grassy ground kept mowed" first recorded 1733. Lawn-tennis is from 1884.

mower (n.)
early 14c., "one who cuts grass with a scythe," agent noun from mow (v.). Mechanical sense is from 1852.

Grass Trimmers (Argos)

Notice the conspicuous absence of the word "Lawn".
https://gardenandcrafty.com/english-garden-ideas

Edwin Beard Budding lived in the Victorian Era
when posh southern toffs were at their peak toffiness.
"Time for a spot of Lawn-Tennis you kneoow"

Ordinary English people have always called the grassy bit around a house - a "Garden" (Front Garden and Back Garden), and the act of cutting the grass "Grass Cutting".

Do we have two people in the U.K. arguing over the English Language?

Personally, I find that demonstrative all by itself.

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Ghastly.. isn't it

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Seeing as you have used a link to Argos. You omitted this:
https://www.argos.co.uk/browse/garden-and-diy/lawnmowers-and-garden-power-tools/lawnmowers/c:29517/

I do accept "grass trimmer" as generic alternative to "strimmer", but like "vacuum cleaner" and "hoover", the name "strimmer" is often used.

Maybe its different in Yorkshire :slight_smile:
I think we can just beg to differ. Maybe this diversion into gardening tools should now be split out from the original Photoshop subject and put to rest.

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I miss Argos, me.

In Yorkshire we use practical -- 'down to earth' words for things.
Using posh words will get you a reyt mucky look in the north. ^ ^,
the word 'Lawnmower' sounds proper American to our ears.
In spite of being a british invention. --Good on yer.. Eddie!

@Aravisian I am not surprised. You do not have to travel as far as USA or Australia to encounter examples of "divided by a common language". Don't get us started on different words in UK for bread rolls. That would require a whole forum on its own. :slight_smile:

@Zygoth Argos is not as good as it used to be. No Green Shield stamps these days. HaHa.

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As a Scottish person,m I shall stand aside and let them argue. Scottish adds another whole set of idioms, dialects and language. Much of Scots (the Scots language, which is a distinct form of English, and still widely spoken) is closer to early English and Scandinavian roots.

I'm from the North of Scotland, it took me years to understand my partner (I was going to leave it there, but) understand my partner's speech, she is full-on Glaswegian.

And its always been lawnmower and strimmer for me. I designed my garden years ago though to be grass-free.

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That's "Breadcake" in Yorskshire.. =)

Pity that.
Argos has been on the downward slope since 2000.
No more printed catalogues, no stamps.. bloody scandalous!

Advert from the Yorkshire travel industry..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

This is exactly why we cannot call English the language of Britain.

There are actually 7 basic native languages in the UK:
English, Scots Gaelic, Kernewek (Cornish), Cymraeg (Welsh),
Irish Gaelic, Manx, and Norman-French (Channel Isles).
And then countless sub-languages and dialects.

Yorkshire english is a bit closer to Scots. We say Aye for yes, for example.
And the same goes for Northumberland, and the rest of the north.
Also a lot of Nordic influence .. we were a Danish Kingdom afterall, back when York were called Jorvik. The street names in York around the bar walls are a clue. as in "Munkgate" where gate is actually the old danish word for street
(gade in modern danish), gate is still the modern word for street in norwegian.
pronounced 'ga-te' and not 'gait'.

Aye, I did my Masters at York. A great place to be for a while.

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I did my MSc at York Uni as well.
O Aye.. there's no place like York.

I agree with zaba on splitting off this foray into gardening technology, oblique-stroke, philology. x)

What part of England are you from Dude? I was born in the 50's and it has always been a lawn mower. That is what my dad taught me. I think the word 'Strimmer' was introduced when Black & Decker entered the Garden tool market. For neat edging one uses Edging Shears, me, c.b.a. My wife is the gardener and uses a Flymo, a hover mower. For the hedges we use Hedge Cutters for the main bits (electric) and Hedge Shears for bits missed, but before the electric ones came out it was only Hedge Shears, like giant scissors, were available and your arms ached horrendously afterward.
Don't forget the Lawn Roller either.

This was similar to my Dad's:

I think the reason behind the change to cc was not so much about changing from horse power but what your maximum engine size can legally be. You will notice that any car or motorcycle engine size allows for rebores as for example a Cortina 1300 would be something like 1298 cc from the factory but if it needed a rebore the maximum capacity would be 1300.

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The original origin of the tangent has posts that blend the two topics, so it was a sideways cut.

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Love that 'sideways cut'. Which implements did you use? :wink:

Non-secateurs.

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Hilarious reply. :rofl: :rofl:

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