My unbelievable & dramatic Zorin OS detailed story

I myself use Linux for almost 20 years and I overcome distro-hopping and extrem DE customization addiction.. finally. It was Ubuntu that suck me into Linux world.

And I was always considered to be "the black sheep" in the family, not just because I became sort of family personal IT issues-fixer but also because everyone else use Windows. Well, not anymore.
And people behind Zorin OS are directly responsible for this rather radical change in my family regarding quality of PC usage.

I just came home for summer holiday for 3 weeks and spend almost entire holiday sitting behind the desk on various machines practically every day. Why? Well...

Short story: I just managed to switch my entire family on Zorin OS 17.3 Pro.

Long story:
Family members have 3 elderly laptops from 2008-2015 that now run on Zorin Pro Lite.
3 fresh new (one year old) laptops runs full fledged Zorin Pro. And one poor old dinosaur from ancient history of computing era: model HP Compaq dc7900 Convertible Minitower with Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3.16 GHz and just 3GB RAM that runs on Zorin Pro Lite now.

My parents and siblings used Windows like forever, since the beginning of computer era that became available for consumers mass. So why such radical changes? And why now?

Well, it all started last summer with my father complaining on performance of his old desktop PC HP dinosaur that used to run on Win10. So I bought 2 brand new laptops for him and mom for Christmas.

Half a year later I came home again for summer holiday and I asked how happy they are with new laptops performance? Father says he never turned on old dinosaur since he received his new laptop.

But they couldn't figure out printer connection which is acceptable for 70 years old pensioners. When I wanted to fix the printer connection issue on his new laptop I loudly ranted on lagging of his new machine under Win11, which I considered unacceptable in such modern machine.
But hey we are talking about Windows, right. So what should I expect?!

I stated that Windows is a cancer for any machine. It slowly but surely kills the machine and only way to cure it is to treate it with Linux.

It caught my fathers interest because of he's nostalgia attachment to old dino PC that he is so reluctant to throw away finally. So he offered me to reinstall his, since Xmas never powered on old HP dinosaur.

When I presented Zorin OS Pro Lite on super vintage dino HP Compaq with ancient Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 and just 3GB RAM, the entire family was blown away. Literally! Everyone!

Before the PC was powering on for almost 8 minutes. Ridiculous right?! Now with Zorin Lite it takes less the 1 minute. Dramatic overturn. The old machine is again enjoyable to use.

I spend time with each family member and individually, at their own learning pace, I explained basic interactions with Zorin OS on old dino desktop PC.
But this presentation of Linux power with user friendly aesthetic graphical interface didn't end there.
It led my entire family to jump in waiting queue for reinstalling everyone's laptop with Zorin OS.

I wanted to be fair to other Linux distros and I offered the availability of other distributions demonstrating Linux user-first philosophy such as freedom of choice and full control management over system.

Something that members of my family never even heard of and certainly never experienced until now giving theirs surprised reactions.
They all choose to stick with Zorin and I respect that.

I have dual boot with Arch Hyprlad and believe or not with Ubuntu (Gnome X11) on my Tuxedo high-end premium laptop.

To these days I use Ubuntu as my primarily system just because it once opened the door to Linux world for me. It's a kind of special thing for me. Like the first love that you'll never forget.

Now I envy, so envy my family because I already experienced all that euphoric first joy of freedom, fast performance and unique explorations of the various distros that comes with Linux and practically don't exists on Windows.
They're just on the beginning of their journeys.

And I can't wait to see how far they're willing to go because with Linux there is no limits. You could from beginner became developer. Now it's entirely their choice.

I have to say it was amazing to observe their genuine reaction. Especially the euphoric feeling of Windows prison escape from bloatware, spying, money spending on peace of software they're never needed or never used, Microsoft marketing harassment and just basic lack of right to freedom of choice.

I also have to say that I don't consider Mint beginners friendly distro at all - my opinion and I stand by it for a hell of a good reason.

Until Zorin there were no beginners friendly distro at all. And please don't let me start on shady Winux (Wubuntu, LinuxFX).

Zorin is the way to go for newbies and I have 5 newbies to guide and help now.
But I got to say I feel bit guilty.
Because I purchased one copy of Pro version (that comes along with Lite Pro version as well) but I use it on 7 machines.

I could use entire free version, but I wanted to have the most smooth transition for my family, so I went for paid version for extra options that I could install for free separately anyway.

But it might not run as natively and it would cost me more time I desperately didn't have, considering my holiday was only 3 weeks and each machine takes so much time to configurate.

Specially towards end with DE tweaks to individual needs of particular user.
So paid Pro version was right choice and I don't regret that.

But I feel bit off. These guys behind Zorin OS truly sweat off their keyboards. I know! I explored the system ins and outs sever time on 7 machines. Trust me. It's stunning, stable and extremely beginner friendly system. Mint don't even come close to that.

And Zorin Lite version literally revive old zombie dinosaur PC back to live.
So I decided to give them extra donation because they deserve it. They surely do! For honourable missions they do, such as providing escape door for those, who finally gain their courage and decided to step out of their comfort zone and find their freedom in Linux eco systems.

To Zorin developers, you have no idea what kind of positive impact your product have on my family. Zorin OS is indeed the escape door to freedom from Windows prison.

Finally my family is free to do whatever they want and use it as they wish. And they all love it so much. It's funny to watch they excitement.

Especially my brother who is already asking quite interesting questions and I could see he already started to dive in.

So thanks Zorin developers! Keep up with such great work. You just earn 5 new happy Zorin users and I no longer need to listening my parents and siblings ranting on Microsoft marketing harassment.

Now there is only one downside issue, that by my opinion should be sorted in beginners friendly distro right from default.

There is no maintenance graphical friendly app. Yes, there is Update app but no maintenance app in terms of cleaning caches and all sort of junk.
My mother, proper OCD lady, raised this issue as she loves to clean and clean and clean...

I satisfied her love for cleaning with good old trusty and notoriously known Ubuntu Cleaner app.
But to get this app you required to go on internet, find the repo ( sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gerardpuig/ppa ) , then copy/paste repo in terminal and then you can run install command sudo nala install ubuntu-cleaner or sudo apt install ubuntu-cleaner.

I maintain my system via terminal only. But I have 20 years Linux experience so for me it's no big deal to find pretty much any app in any version and if it doesn't exist, well I'll create it.

But for elderly lady in her 70s it's something absolutely unacceptable. So Zorin developers should keep that on their mind.

Devs should ship their OS by default with some sort of user friendly Cleaner app and place it right on desktop alongside with Update app.
I was surprised there is no alternative in beginners friendly software manager such as Gnome-Software. Either I'm blind or there is non.

Not to mention absolute need for such app. For sake of curiosity I run Ubuntu Cleaner after I run my own automated post-install script and believe or not, Ubuntu Cleaner app deleted more than 700MB of APT cache only.

Not to mention other junk. All together the app save almost 1.5 GB of space.
So such app has it's purpose and right to be shipped with OS by default, as it's absolute must have if you want to have healthy, stable and fast performing system and you are panically scared of terminal, which I consider to be Post-traumatic stress syndrome caused by Microsoft bullying after escaping Windows prison.

Let's make transition for those poor escapees easier as much as possible. Let's help them and guide them. Once they will take over and help&guide others.
And just remember updating is one thing, cleaning another.

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I once fell in love with Ubuntu when it was true to its meaning "I am, because you are". But it has become a controlling OS, a sort of GNU/Linux version of Microsoft. I am pleased for your family's transition from Windows to GNU/Linux but you need to be aware that Zorin will be ceasing Lite in 2029. My biggest Ubuntu-based transition was to Ultimate Edition (originally Ultimate Ubuntu but Thee Mahn received a 'cease and desist' from Canonical, hence the change to Ultimate Edition. However, I have become a GNU/Linux rebel, with the only OS that contains systemd I can stomach is Q40S Plasma, and a rolling release to boot. In addition they still produce Trinity Desktop Edition which is what KDE looked like before Plasma. In the Unofficial Manual for Zorin 17 Core I highly recommend Stacer. Another alternative is Bleach-bit but my personal preference is for Stacer. Going back to Q4OS it is a rolling release up to 2028 so no fresh installs needed when the next major update comes out. I prefer Debian based distributions, systemd free and also free from Pulse Audio. I wish you and yours well on your GNU/Linux journey.

Yes I'm aware of Ubuntu history same as I'm aware of nasty history of Red Hat. I cannot disagree with you. Unfortunately, you right on point.

I was once considering Debian, but I don't like how slow it is. Lately I started to mess lot more with Arch again. As I mentioned, I have dual boot Ubuntu-GnomeX11/Arch on Hyprlad.

But I also like to tweak around with Endeavour and Manjaro in virt-manager. That's very enjoyable distros.
I didn't like Fedora because it was pain to find my favorite apps, aldo I used Distrobox. Still it was extra unnecessary work for no reason. Such apps should be in repo from start.

Also Fedora behave very shall I say "weird" on dual boot. Let's say it was interesting experience, but not kind the one I would wish to repeat.

I also so don't like KDE simply for its aesthetic layout. It's so over-complicated for no reason.

And that comes from guy who managed to set up Hyprlad.
KDE got nasty settings layout and panel is also pain in butt.

I'm more Gnome guy for cozy stuff like video editing on Kdenlive and Hyprlad guy for more efficiency work stuff, scripting, app developing etc.

I know Ubuntu messing up more and more and eventually I might be forced to switch completely.

But it definitely won't be Debian or KDE Plasma. :slightly_smiling_face: It more likely looks like I'll go for one of the Arch distros.

But back to topic point. Zorin is perfect for newbies. Absolute gem OS. And I know Lite version is coming to end soon so I will have to look for alternative.

But by then, my father should be fairly comfortable to use his old dinosaur that runs Zorin lite. But he prefers the new laptop now. With Zorin Pro it's such fast powerful Beastie compare when it was on Win11. And it's only 1 year old machine.

Using the printer is also very intuitive. Super easy. And my mother just love to print anything. Before it was nightmare. It took good 1 hour to print something on old dino with Win10.
But on new laptops they got now it's literally matter of minute.

So maybe I won't need another Lite version if dad finally gives up on old dino. Finger crossed.

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Oh I forgot to mention Stacer. Yes, Stacer is good app. But not beginner friendly at all in term of "click and next".

Also Stacer don't come in desirable language. As I mentioned I'm not English language native. But for me it's not problem to understand English - speak or write (with horrible grammar :joy:).

But for my 70 years old parents that understands only worlds like "yes, no, help" it's unacceptable to use Stacer.

Ubuntu-cleaner also have only English but it's only on 3 clicks. Open, select the box, next. And you are done. Literally.

For peace of mind I also created my own maintenance automated script with sudoers edited file for no need to type password. And I created .desktop with my own (well...AI generated) png. Placed icon on the desktop. Done!

Just double click on what they think is app (because it's got pretty picture :grin:).
Let it run and it even tell them at the end of terminal in native language that "I'm done. You can now press enter to cloese the window" and terminal automatically close itself.

Zorin really need beginners friendly maintenance app.

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PCLOS Debian uses Debian 'bookworm' and a high end Liquorix kernel, but it is not affiliated to Debian. I prefer Plasma but they also do xfce (which is what Zorin Lite uses), MATE (what Gnome 2 used to look like), budgie, Cinnamon, abd Plasma and Mini-Plasma.

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To be honest I never heard of PCLOS and I'm self-cured disro-hopping addict. So i just quickly copy paste the name of distro in chatgpt for more info. And it sounds very interesting. I definitely gonna check that out. Especially the one that shippes with Mate DE. Thanks for tip.

Yeah, I know there is so many DE for various distros. Hell, you could get Gnome DE on Arch.

So literally anything for everyone. I'm not XFCE guy. I don't like text title task manager in panel like in Windows. I understand it's purpose. Especially for newcomers switching from Win. It eases their transition from Win.

But I don't like to much stuff on my desktop. I have no need for that and dock is also quite minimalistic for me. I'm more keyboard guy rather than mouse&click pointer. My RedThunder RGB keyboard+mouse cost me more than £60 so I want to juice most out of it.

Zorin Lite runs on XFCE and I tell you it was pain in butt to customize that DE to user's liking. Especially beginner user. Gnome is just splending easy. Mid range between minimalism and standard. Setting it up is joy in heaven. Couple scripts and you done. XFCE took ages and it's so sensitive to be constantly in conflict with another setting. Constantly over writing and self disabling something. Just an pain.

But ones set up correctly it runs pretty well. At least my family members that all decided to go for XFCE layout with text title task panel enjoy it. Well they all just escape Windows. So surely they don't have high expectations or high standards :grin:. That all will change with time as they will start exploring more distros and various DEs.

Good things there so much of em. Everyone finds its favorite gem eventually.

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OK, so I found PCLOS in my personal ISO database. I do have it.
I run it in virt-manager and it rang the bells immediately. I do remember this distros. But it wasn't something extraordinary that I would recall. That's why I couldn't remember even the name of it.

But I'm willing to give it one more shot. See how much it change since I've tested it last time. Just download fresh version.

PCLOS is based off Mandrake 9.2 and uses .rpm. PCLOS Debian is a fork and only came out December 2024.

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I noticed their official website is shut down. That's never good sign. Nevertheless it's here to grub ISO for anyone else interesting in it:

I have only KDE version download. So I need to extend my database and I just got those with Mate and XFCE desktop environments.
Thanks for tip. I'm looking forward to test&run PCLOS Mate

Inspired by your post, I tried visiting their website; this is what it shows me:

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That's exactly the site I visited. Seem like it's their old one I guess. Because swarfendor437 posted this one https://www.pclosdebian.com/ and it seems to work just fine.

Yes, another member told me about this. When PCLOS Debian came out I moved to that because unfortunately PCLOS does not like GT1030 cards. Had to downgrade to GT440 just to get it to install. Now back on GT1030.

PCLOS Debian is a different site altogether. Upgreyed and a few others from PCLOS/forum put together the Debian based version.

Oh boy, with those mismatched websites it's just becoming kinda confusing. :slightly_smiling_face:

Manjaro and Arch based distros are cuting edge and well know to not to be stable. It's the opposite of Debian.

Debian ships update when sure it's cleared out of bugs. But that's why .deb packages are always several versions downgraded. It makes the system slow but very steady stable. Good for mid-settled beginners.

Arch is quite the opposite and that's why it's recommended for very advanced users. Because you constantly running in problems. It keeps the user on the toes.

Updates are shipped immediately and it's kind of up to user to fix the issues and bugs. As a reward you get cutting edge extremely efficient and super fast system with constantly up to date packages.

And honestly I have absolutely terrible day today. I crushed my Arch (Hyprlad) and I was forced to completely reinstall.

That's why my PC is always empty of personal files (music, pics...) and I basically run everything from external drive.
On top of that, I keep my post-install scripts along side with bootable USB on hand at all time.

But that's kinda life of Arch user. You'll just never know...

And I like to live on edge. It keeps the life interesting :smiling_face_with_sunglasses::grin:

Hello John, welcome to Zorin OS on Linux. I see your an Arch user, but also appreciates Zorin OS. Distro hopping is like being a bunny rabbit, your hopping from one to the next, hoping you will find the distro for you.

I distro hopped a few times myself, but always came back to Zorin OS. I eventually realized, as interesting as the other OS's were, none of them meshed properly for what I needed. I've been with Zorin OS since 2014.

We all go on an interesting journey to find the OS for us. Part of why Windows users fear Linux is, there are so many distro's out there, they don't know which one is right for them, it totally confuses them.

Not everyone wants to distro hop to figure it out either, nor do many have the time to do so. One of the things that make Zorin OS so awesome, is its ready out of the box, for Windows users to migrate over to Linux.

I also see you like living on the edge, there's a song for that one.

Strange music video, but Aerosmith was huge back in the day.

I prefer to have some stability in my life, especially in these times, so living on the edge is not my thing.


FYI. I am running 17.3 Core on a very old 2 core laptop with 4Gb RAM and small HDD. Performance is OK, but due to HDD size, I do not use Snap or Flatpak and also keep an eye on HDD space and regularly clean apt and journalctl.
So I think your family Dino should continue to run in future with Z18 Pro/Core (gnome), as long as it is not for gaming or graphic intensive apps.

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If they work, use them I say. Better than consigning to landfill. They will both probably outlast some more recent PC's :slight_smile:

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Webside working checked today.

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