It is mainly through having contact with my Linux User Group (LUG) in the past that we had enlightening discussions and Aravisian posted about an arabic engineer, who was looking at the security angle, and the bootloader angle. That is what fundamentally made me change to a distribution that does not use systemd as the Linux bootloader. As the co-ordinator of the Linux User Group advised me, that running an OS with systemd is like giving your PC a bar code that anyone can read - that is why I use Devuan with SysVinit. I also wanted to get away from bloatware which is inherent in systemd (and Pulseaudio, also written by the same author of systemd which RedHat have forced onto other distributions. RedHat would love to get rid of /etc which means you could not blacklist audio sources in conflict with the one you want to use. There are lots of derivatives of Devuan that also use SysVinit. Other OS's use similar simpler bootloaders, such as s6, runit, OpenRC, and ironically, Upstart which was initially adopted by Ubuntu but dropped it for systemd. For me it is security first, DE second. If you want to be really secure, then we should really all be using BSD. I would love to get MidnightBSD running but have failed so far. I have used Artix Linux in the past but it's printer database was restrictive, not even Canon listed and they don't use Arch repos anymore, they have their own. The problem with Arch is that after major updates the root password can get overwritten! And Arch still uses systemd!
In terms of other GNU/Linux OS's I run these as VM's only in Virt-Manager.
I remember someone wrote budgie using long time ago. This year out new version.
So then in some software and systemd exist some "door".
Then mostly 95% linux distributions using systemd.
Devuan on first place with highest points.
It must be very interesting. I will shoot that distribution in vm.
You told on forum you don't using a newest version Devuan.
It wrote Devuan using desktop Cinnamon.
I dropped from Devuan 4 to 3.1.1 because 4 could not pickup second monitor - but second monitor placed now taken up with Amiga 1500 with Philips CM-8833 14" Monitor, produced specifically for Amiga. The default DE for Devuan is xfce but there is a raft of different DE's available at point of install - Plasma (KDE), Cinnamon, MATE, Gnome, LXQt.
I am using only one monitor.
Me too - guess I need to go back to 4 ... but, if you put # symbol within your password you have to use US key combination - something to do with GDM is the response I got from the Devuan forum! No such issues in 3.1.1!
Ok i will trying keep im mind that tips.
Here we can talking about fanboyisdm what Desktop you preffer and why?
Good Question. As of this minute, I'd have to go with Gnome (Zorin Pro). Zorin Lite is just as solid, stable, I have to mention. After installing Pro since the 16 release (no need to rehash the delay in Lite coming out) the more comfortable I became with it as I learned more. Guess you could say I 'bonded' with gnome, and it's won me over.
When I first started my journey in GNU/Linux it was KDE, because the panel was at the bottom, just like that other OS. Gnome back in the day, had its panel at the top. Then because I became involved with Assistive Technology sphere, being a Vision Support Technician, I found KDE lacking greatly in terms of Accessibility, particularly in the screenreader department - Gnome shone in this regard with Orca (so called as a direct jibe at the application for Windows being JAWS!). Orca was written by an employee of Sun Microsystems (way before they sold out to Oracle) who too had a vision impairment. The backend of Orca is extensive which I covered in the unofficial manual for Zorin 15. Things have moved on, so in Devuan 3.1.1 and up, Orca will run quite happily with Plasma (KDE) and can be implemented at point of install by a blind user with a Brailliant device to install the OS themselves. One of the sad missing elements from the GNU/Linux desktop is Compiz - mainly the Accessibility features it had to offer.
From a visual perspective, Plasma beats Gnome hands down. What else? Mouse Pointer themes can be installed easily - no messing with sudo chown or chmod to take conrol of the icons folder to install new mouse pointers in usr | share | icons. No sudo chown or chmod for installing fonts - it has a Font Manager - true you still need root privileges to run it but once running you don't have to keep re-entering the password, plus you can install Fonts as either personal (will only show up for the User installing that font, or System wide for everyone to have access. The downsides of Plasma - Anakonda - in particular, kmail - not a good mail client - not an issue for me as I use Evolution. I've stopped using Thunderbird as it has become too Google-centric - it has now got search engine embedded into the Mail client and Google search engine cannot be removed - so it is gone from my life forever! Discover is as lame as Software. For me it has to be Apper and Synaptic Package Manager in Plasma. Apper is very efficient at dealing with Updates. And I still use Gdebi Package Manager in Plasma. Not so straight-forward in Devuan - have to use 'run gdebi-gtk', not just launch it, but I can live with that. The theming is a bit simpler to install too, whether it is wallpapers or widgets - it is just a case of choosing Themes and installing new ones from the interfaces. I will say one clever thing that FerenOS did with it's implementation of Plasma was the use of Ctrl+ Alt+ T to launch Konsole (Terminal). Another weak element of Plasma is the Konqeror Browser/file manager - great for the latter, but not for browsing. I am using Firefox ESR but perhaps I need to take another look at IceCat.
Just commenting on the thread title
Fanboyism is a problem with Linux in general. Mention Windows or MacOS in most Linux forums and they will pop a gasket.
That is why I like it here. Zorin’s Forum is a lot more open minded than a typical one.
I totally agree .... to me Windows OS is not a bad OS it is just the developers M$ that have turned it into a nightmare ..... while lots of people don't like Win 8.1 and Win 10 I had no real problem with either as I used the Pro version and with a few third party software apps was able to keep M$ from updating either version ....
I would go to the hardware manufacture and download drivers or updates I needed .....
So why did I quit M$ .... simple .... when they originally said I could't go to Win 11 because my 2 year old Asus ROG gaming laptop didn't meet their requirements and I would need to purchase a new computer if I was to continue using M$ after expiration date of my Win 10 OS ..... and that was the straw that broke the camels back ...
They later lowered the spec's after the uproar form users and companies but that was way to late for me as I was tired of their snooping .... mining and other BS so I went to Zorin and never looked back as a daily driver .... been about 1 1/2 years now and I have never once been sorry ....
Did I quit M$ ..... no not entirely ... I still have Win 7 on another computer for old games and Win 10 Pro to dual boot with Zorin but it is stripped down to the bare essentials with no updates and only use it for last resorts so if I loose my Zorin HD I can contact the board for help or wipe my D drive so I can reinstall Zorin using Rescuezilla ....
I personally do not like Windows. I keep Windows 10 on a VM that I boot into every few months for one thing or another. But I am not going to attack anyone for using it.
Windows Update is what initially drove me away.
I do not like MacOS much for that matter but I use it (mostly for their awesome hardware)
I liked distributions where I can decide what I want.
It something like a painting a Picasso picture.
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