Pling is cutting off payment to artists

To those who don't know it Pling (gnome-look, kde-look etc.) will stop paying artists for their work. It may be good or bad decision, but we'll see a lot less new stuff or updates.

My question to you is, will you pay for an icon theme for a symbolic amount (like $5), if an artist put their icon themes behind a paywall? I'm asking because I'm considering this option now. I have try with donation option, but it was utterly failure.

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Of course they are, there is always somebody who wants to ruin it for others, by making decisions like this. I used to write professional reviews for Epinions back in the day. That was a nice source of side hustle income, plus I always enjoyed writing reviews. Until one day, Ebay the financial holder for Epinions decided, they were not going to pay reviewers anymore. Thats what ultimately killed Epinions.

Actually, yes I would, I think thats a plenty fair price asking to be supported, for your hard work. I won't pay for a subscription service though, only on a pay per theme bases. Far too many subscription services, which many are money scams, especially in regards to cars.

My money is tight these days though, but in the future, sounds great. What I am most annoyed about, is this lack of morality that sites have, where they decide, they don't need to pay for artists work. Imagine what Adam Savage would have said, if a producer went up to him, and said, "we want to produce a show called Mythbusters, we want you on the show, but were not going to pay you."

Yeah, I'm sure you know where Adam would tell him to stick it, and its not in the window seal.


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I think the vast majority of users would not. Even with established known products, it would range between 1% and 5%. And that takes sympathetic themers and ricers into account.

There is a clear antagonistic view toward paywalls.

And while vocally, GnuLinux users are supportive of Developers and Creators being paid, they most often are not willing to be one of the ones to pay.

The most successful strategy is the Upgrade Path. (Interestingly... this is the strategy Zorin OS uses.)

In your case, this would be a core icon set for free. It includes all the essential standard icons in the set.
And then the pay-for extra version - that includes Steam Game Icons, distro specific icons or a more thorough Application Icons suite.

What the above does is it makes you an independent contributer, establishing a base with the core (free) product, but allows a sustainability approach to support development from people that now are already interested in your work (Since they have the Core Icon set and would not mind expanding it).

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I think that depends on the price.
Unfortunately, it is often unclear for which apps the icon theme includes own icons
Some sets are very comprehensive and offer a separate icon for almost everything, while others are so incomplete because icons are missing that they don't look good on the computer. I have often uninstalled icon themes right away. They were nice, but there were too many outliers. This is particularly noticeable with monochrome themes.

Those ones which are made for a specific distribution often are a good base if you use this distribution and don't have too much other apps installed.

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Pling had been doing shenanigans earlier I seem to remember both to you (@Storm) and @Aravisian. That is why I took down all my walls in support of you both. Been searching and found this; why 1 to 5 are not shown I don't know, but look for the paragraph that first mentions FlatIcons and others here. You may have to do some background checks on each:

[Side note: Pling also messed up synchronisation with Plasma and still is: Themes don't install correctly, or you have to use their OCS app which does not always work either. I get notifications in Discover when an update to a PurPur icon set comes back with: "Error, the update is for a different version" when it isn't!]

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Such wobbles are likely a sign of toppling and it appears the day has come.
There are probably many factors involved.

However, it is also a reminder: Sites that rely on User Generated Content (e.g. YouTube which is showing wobbles) need to respect their content creators since they are their source of views and financial support.

When they are not respected; the topple has begun. It can take a while; these are almost never a sudden collapse, but a slow petering out.

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Yeah, I remember during the pandemic, right when people needed the income the most, YouTube decided to cut the monetization earnings in half. As usual, Google doesn't care about people's livelihoods, they only care about their own profit. They demonstrated to everyone, just how awful they could be. Still to this day, I have heard nothing about YouTube razing the monetization back to pre-pandemic levels.


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Oh, they won't raise it.

Instead, they are using a new gimmick. For some users, the video starts playing a couple of seconds into the video, instead of at the beginning. You must tap it back.

The reason Google is doing this; the YouTuber is not paid unless the entire video is watched. Sneaky.

Their underhandedness and greed will topple the platform. Long Term, they know this. They do not care. They will rake as much money from it as they can for years, then buy out and destroy the next platform that replaces the one they topple.

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Well being a majority of one I will give my take on this ..... with all the AI and click bait now being created on Youtube videos with in the last couple of months I'm glad to see this .... maybe not have to watch the whole video but at least the first 5 minutes so if it is deliberately misrepresented they won't get paid ....

I can't tell you how many videos I have clicked on that turned out to be complete click bait .... ex. famous actors being portrayed as being in a film that are not .... however their AI generated picture and name were .... like Jason Statham or Steven Segal ....

Another cute little trick the Tube is doing is if you are searching on the website for something to watch and you mistakenly hover for a few seconds over a video it automatically goes into your viewed content or to the to be watched later category .....

Their algorithm is unmatched .... click on say a cooking or music video and you will get tons of only those videos in you recommendation list .... to get rid of them go into your Watched category and delete it ....

I just can't wait till AI gets up and running full bore because along with algorithms you will only be allowed to watch what they want you to watch .... they will completely regulate you entertainment choices .....

No I don'r wear a tin foil hat but I have seen and heard these changes with with my own eyes and ears over the past several months ..... and it just keeps getting worse .....

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I think I was not exactly clear.

The video is skipped ahead a few seconds, mostly on the Mobile app more than the webpage.
This is not, in any way, intended to help the viewer skip an intro or figure out if what they are watching is worth watching.

It is to subtly shorten the watched time to slightly less than the entire video time, which sets the video into the "Not watched - therefor no payout" category.

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I left YouTube when they first changed their Privacy conditions. I now pay an annual fee (have done so for some time now) to Vimeo. It's not cheap. It's lowest package used to be about £54. It is now £109, but my allocation has jumped from 250 Mb to 2 Tb. The bill has not come through yet so my lady may want me to cancel which I won't do, it's my hobby.

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I was wondering why that was happening, they really are straight up criminals.
I would add to this if you watch a bit on the homepage as a preview sometimes the video starts where you were at in the preview if you click to watch.

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Do you know if the entire video must be watched when the watcher pays for YouTube Premium and doesn't get traditional ads? I used free YouTube like most people until 2020 when my usage spiked (COVID lockdown), at which point the ads were just too much. There's nothing for me to skip from YouTube, but if the content creator is independently sponsored, I'm generally not interested in hearing them tell me how much I'd love RAID Legends.

Your question made me re-check the claim I made above and it looks like my claim is in error or based on a misunderstanding about how YouTube works.

It is based on something that no less than three professional YouTubers told me (I'll not name names, but they have millions of subscribers.) That said, however, I think their initial statements simplify what YouTube does.
Rather, watching the entire video increases the chances of the user receiving advertisements, which is not the same as watching the entire video for the youtuber to receive payments from advertisements.

This means my claim above: That cutting into it can knock the payments down is too general and may not always apply. It would apply only when enough time was lost to reduce the number of ads shown in a monetized video - certainly not all the time.

So I was a bit off base. But at least I am not A.I.
:zany_face:

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This makes more sense to me. A couple of channels I occasionally watch, particularly Tasting History and Gamers Nexus typically have 20-30 minute videos, and not being paid unless those complete would be brutal.

Sounds like something an AI would say!

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Searching.... "Denial."

File not found.

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...I wouldn't have laughed so hard if I hadn't just humored Amazon by clicking on a pre-written question for its stupid AI: "What does my purchase history say about me?"

It generated half a paragraph of nonsense about painting a picture of someone with clearly defined interests and then "something went wrong" and the response didn't complete.

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I would encourage well-rounded members to test an LLM, like ChatGPT in Jan or a similar LLM management tool, in the untrained and unfiltered state (CAUTION: Unfiltered means it's responses will not be ethical. DO NOT TAKE ANY OF ITS ADVICE in that condition - it is a lunatic.)

It is extremely informative as to how the LLM parses responses and just what is needed to refine them. It is enlightening in a way, that drives home the point of where LLM's failure points are, and why it cannot be trusted.

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Aravisian Intelligence, no Artificial flavours or additives included.

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With all the hours and hours you spent with me when I first started trying to use and understand Linux I thought you were ..... now I'm disappointing .... OMG .... you are a human ...... LOL

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