Suggestion on dual boot - just don't do it

I'm seeing a flood of people with problems installing Zorin beside Windows; installation errors, UEFI questions, inability to format Windows drives... on and on...
So I suggest an alternative which worked for me.
When I bought my new laptop a few months after installing Zorin on my other laptop (so I had at least a vague idea what I was doing) the very first thing I did was to set it up with a local Windows account (I think there are still workarounds to avoid Microsoft snooping?) and then take 3 full images of the bare-bones W11 installation - with Hasleo, Macrium Reflect and Rescuezilla. All of these are free and easy to use. Then I installed Zorin 18 Core with a complete erase of the entire disk - no messing around with boot/UEFI/MBR worries, just accepting the defaults, and later using Gparted Live to create partitions. And it all works flawlessly.
So I have about 60GB of W11 backups. I've never needed them. Zorin has done the trick for me. I'm done with Windows, but if I ever need it (e.g. if I want to sell a laptop) I have a Windows image that I can restore.
Courage, people. Save yourselves the heartache and pain of trying to retain the intrusive time vampire. Make the jump.

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I wholeheartedly agree. The other option is a VM of Windows running inside GNU/Linux.

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You would still have that - independently from Windows. You have to check if Secure Boot and Fast are disabled. And if Your BIOS is in UEFI or Legacy Mode to know how to set up the USB Stick with GPT or MBR. That doesn't disappear.

In my Opinion Dual-Boot is a good Option. You still have Windows for the Case. And You have Zorin (or another Distro) directly installed on the Machine and You see how it performs and works. In a VM this wouldn't be the same for Example. Can Dual-Boot lead to some Setup Issues and Adjustments? Yes. I don't deny it. But it is still a recommendable Option I would say.

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I disagree when it comes to Notebooks. A Desktop is a different ball game as you can have more than one HDD. Windows can cause issues when attempting to dual boot or even replacing Windows with GNU/Linux as I experienced with a client wanting rid of Windows altogether. People who dual-boot on one drive would not be aware of the need to have a separate data drive from C:\ as writing to and from where Windows resides can lead to data corruption and loss. Windows has become the user and the user is now the commodity, not the other way around.

I have posted elsewhere on here that Windows as a VM is a viable option (on the assumption the user does not place gaming as a primary requirement of a VM). When I was in lockdown virt-manager helped me run Windows 7 Pro 32-bit and later Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit was flawless. And using virt-manager the display looked as though it was a bare metal install.

Onn a local forum, the owner of an engineering company was fuming about Microsoft's newest OS at the time because his computer software was built for Windows XP and would not work in Windows 7. His solution was to end his ties with Microsoft, and ran Fedora workstation and run XP as a VM so he could control his computer controlled lathe without issue. Now that is a real life scenario.

My youngest had a machine that dual-booted with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit and FerenOS on another drive. Windows 7 started throwing wobblies, so I installed it with Virtual Box on their FerenOS drive and it ran better than it did when running with 8 Gb of RAM on bare metal with only 4 Gb of RAM allocated in VirtualBox .vhd. :winking_face_with_tongue:

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I can only speak from my personal Experience with Dual-Boot. So, this is not to understand as a Blueprint. I had and have now a Desktop PC with one Drive. And I used Dual-Boot all the Time until I switched entirely to Linux.

For me it worked fine. Yes, for me. I know about the Issues that for Example Windows can override the Boot Sector and then the Linux Boot Stuff is gone. These Problems exists. No Doubt about that. I didn't experienced this in the Past. So, maybe I simply had Luck.

Another Point can be when You Dual-Boot and You want to switch from this to Linux-only and You have to remove Windows. This can be a bit tricky, too depending of Partition Setup. Or the other Way: You want to get rid of Linux. To remove the Partition is the minor Problem. When You want remove the Linux Boot Stuff from the Windows EFI-Partition, this can be a bit ugly. I had that, too.

But even with this Experience, I see dual-Boot still as a valid Option. You have it on Your PC or Laptop. So, You can experience on bare Metal. There is now VM what can influence it or lead to a worse Experience which You wouldn't have when You would install it. That doesn't mean, You can't have a good Experience in a VM. But a VM isn't the Machine itself. And that is for me the Point.

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Hola amigo no se que nivel de informatica tienes pero yo por ejemplo mi zorin esta en un SSD aparte es decir un SSD conectado USB 3.2 tipo C y tiene 1 TB de capacidad y todo se lo he dado a zorin ya que el dia que aregle un problema que haga como hace manycam v9 mostrar mi webcam eso funcciona pero no funcciona el escritorio eso no muestra por tanto debo esperar y si mi windows 11 pro esta en SSD interno del portatil Gamer y estoy encnatado con mi zorin y si lo bcompre completo y hace mas que windows y tiene tantas heramientas edicion de musica videos IA`s en un futuros etc podras hacer otro sistema operativo aaprtado de la particion principal y hacer una emulacion y ver tu desarollo con el tiempo y tus progresos y si algo no entiendes sin duda deja mensajes o busca una IA en linea que te ayude con eso.. asi que si el dia menos esperado tu cerebro se desbloquea de esas restricicones como hace widnows con nosotros nos tiene embobados no queren que progresemos y sepamos mas que ellos y se enfurecen por eso meten telemetria en windows ahora aparece un windows 11 k2 no lo veo normal algo hay dentro que no me cuadra pero si el dia menos esperado yo habre migrado a zorin..y a windows vaya tomar viento ..

Shouldn't this be in the 'feedback' category? It seems more of an opinion (people don't need Windows) than a useful advice about dual-booting. Some people need to keep easy access to Windows and dual-booting is a very convenient way to do that. Some people don't care about Windows and in that case the trouble of a dual-boot is not worth it.

This is just depending on each person's needs and if someone needs both we should support them to do that. Personally I've found a great guide for dual-booting Win10 and Zorin OS and it has worked seamlessly for me on three computers so far.

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That's an unnecessarily offensive comment on a genuine piece of advice.

Actually you are right, I got you confused for another user that was trolling about AI earlier, my bad. Will remove the part about trolling!

That being said, the "alternative" that you propose to a dual-boot is to have a Windows image to restore when you need it, I wouldn't say that's an alternative at all, it removes the whole point of a dual-boot which is to seamlessly move from one OS to the other on the same computer.

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I accept your implied apology... :slight_smile:
If someone has a genuine absolute need for dual boot, then of course you're right. But I suspect that many/most people (and there is a real example of this just in the past few days) are trying dual boot purely as a safety net in case Zorin doesn't work out. My advice is intended for those people who want to leave Windows behind but are wary; their safety net needn't be dual boot, but a recovery to their Windows safe place within 15 minutes via a recovered Windows image.

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Yo la verdad lo tengo asi una ssd interna del laptop de 512 Gb ahi esta el windows 11 pro obio es particion primaria y por defecto alavez cuando prendo la PC este inica directo a windows si quero iniciar zorin o otro sistema aprieto F11 ahi el BIOS me pregunta a donde queres IR siempre que sea detectable y le digo con flecha abajo a Zorin y Pam ENTER y otro enter zorin normal y en segundo lo tengo cargado digo su escritorio que va no espero mas de 10 s tras dar doble ENTER en teclado y como decia mi zorin esta en otra SSd de 1 Tb de capacidad y todo lo dedico a EL y si me gusta conservar los archivos ordenadamente y maniatico aveces uso a KIMI AI en linea y le digo mi problema y me resuelve si no se puede se desinstala se limpia y a esperar otro medio año a que funccione las cosas bien pero como decia tanto zorin y su BOOT y windows y su Boot tambien no interactuan solo el BIos sabe cual y cual aveces le digo a BIOS OYE entra en zorin y cambio el Disco duro primario a secundadio y pongo USB primario y guardo cambios y ahi el bios lee el SSD externo considerado a USB y wala asi que nadie interactua uno con el otro :slight_smile: asi l otengo yo y me es mas facil y no estropeo las cosas de windows :slight_smile: si resolviste el probema me alegro de ello si no pues lamento oir eso que tengas un LIndo Dia..

Going the VM route is always going to be the best solution. There's no argument that can be made against it. It's safer and more flexible. Keeps both OS'es in their individual sandboxes. You boot into Windows, open your Linux VM to full screen, flip back and forth with the hotkey, share files, and cut/paste. To many inexperience newcomers to Linux are being deceived on the idea that dual booting (one drive or more) is easy and the best option, when it is not.

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I originally set up as dual boot Zorin 17.3 and Win11. Coming new from Windows to a Linux based world, I didn't want to make the assumption I would like Linux and not want to go back, and for the first few months I regularly booted into both of the OS depending what I wanted to do, So I think for new migrants the dual boot is the safest and most comfortable approach. Then when you feel totally comfortable with Zorin, go ahead and remove windows.

Now my set up was on a desktop with a 500GB main SSD and a couple of 1TB externals, so I did have lots of room with W11 taking about 300GB and Zorin about 100GB and all my data on a second drive. I am soon going to migrate my wife's laptop from Win and because I know Zorin will be seamless and because she only has a 250GB drive it will be a complete rplacement.

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I agree but not totally. You can use a very bare bones W11 customization like ReviOS. They strip basically everything and they are dual boot friendly (they even change the windows time to UTC to avoid the time glitch).

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I do not think Dual Booting is seamless. It requires a complete restart of the very machine you are using. VM would be more in line of what can be considered seamless.

It is especially more complex since the poor decision to disable OS-Prober by default.

When You use the ''Install Zorin alongside Windows'' Option for creating a Dual-Boot System it is enabled.

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When you choose that option, it is supposed to adjust Grub to enable OS-Prober. However, we have seen many threads where that failed.
Additionally, "Choose something else" will not allow automatic enabling of OS-Prober, which I think may be the cause of some users woes.

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Thats right. When You choose that, it isn't active - what wonders me, too to be honest. I mean, I can understand when it wouldn't be active when You choose ''Erase disk''. But for the ''Something else'' Option it could be good to have it active, too.