Well the big companies can working on big projects.
They can investment a money.
The brothers Zorin on them Zorin distribution taking a piece a cake.
What that means - the package, compailing and security it taken a huge time, many a money to using server.
That means they taken a things what are best for simple linux users.
@Aravisian sayed we can choice what we want and that all software doesn't mean be installed on Zorin 17 what will be in future.
Propably also Zorin 17 will be have a stable software.
Besides we talking about linux distributions.
I bought a mobile android.
The information there is google some apps etc. The information there is wrote we have permission to all your data on this phone also we using a localization gps all time.
So maybe we cannot be some judgement for operating system distribution linux, if some app can watching our private life all time.
Facebook,whatsapp, Every big corporation using telemetry and collect data base our privacy. Isn't facebook paid a fine also google stealing a patent from company Sonos (audio company). All time everybody talking China stealing. Open eyes - all countries are interesting a money.
I have come to distrust DW more and more, lately. I would link to why, but reddit is shut down, right nw. Basically, it has severe trust issues in the community.
1 quick example: MX Linux is 2398% not the most popular distro. Not even remotely close. However, the MX Linux devs added distrowatch as the homepage in their browsers to raise their visibility.
Basically, people game the system on that site and the information they gather is not always correct.
Without putting out much effort into this. Worse software support, worse security, worse installer, not maintained as long. Etc.
As far as DistroWatch there is no perfect website for these matters. They donât claim they are tracking usage totals
What is? Zorin or Debian?
If Zorin was based on Debian those are negative effects that Zorin would suffer. Just throwing the counter argument.
I kinda like the direction Debian has gone with 12 but there are some things that do not compare favorably with Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is Debian-based, though.
Not in the way you are thinking. They are not 1:1 like say Ubuntu and Mint.
Ubuntu 14.04 is still getting security updates. Debian does not support a product long enough for Zorin to ever really consider them.
Ubuntu is not based on Debian in the way you are thinking. Just letting you know. They are not 1:1
Packages packaged for Debian are not always going to work on Ubuntu and vice versa. (They do work most of the time though can have issues).
A software I use almost everyday ONLY works on Ubuntu because of these differences.
I donât want you to take this as me attacking Debian. I actually quite appreciate the direction they have chosen with 12 (honestly a bit more Ubuntu like). But the fact they donât support a product for anywhere near as long will make ZorinGroup not care for them to be their base.
Never said they were. Just pointing out the fallacy that Debian somehow doesn't support their OSes like Ubuntu does.
That's factually and provably wrong:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
You mentioned 14.04 for example, which came out in 2014. That was Debian Jessie, which is still supported for ELTS until 2025 and was supported on LTS until 2020, for instance. EOL for Ubuntu 14.04 was in 2019.
Not a single subsequent Debian release, after Jessie, has reached EOL to date.
Debian offers extended commercial support but not for everyday users.
14.04 still receives security updates.
Debian 9 released 3 years after is not receiving any more updates for general users
Debian 10 releases next year support totally ends next year
Also, in case someone says they "still support 14.04" and extended LTS...
That is ONLY for Enterprise:
While not a bad point. The fact of the matter is it only would have normally ended last year. Where Debian 9 which released 3 years later already ended
Be honest: why are you ignoring the facts in order stand your ground? What is it you dislike so much about Debian, honestly. It's not their release dates or LTS. Something about Debian bothers you a lot.
So, what is it? Willing to hear your honest answer.
Iâm not really speaking to personal preference. I am speaking to how ZorinGroup would look at it.
I will say that Debian up until 12 was pretty bad as a user system due to how outdated it was even at release but that isnât really true anymore.
It also made things that should be easy (drivers for instance) a pain.
Installer is also pretty terrible.
Debian also does not really consider what developers want very much which is why many productivity/enterprise applications do not officially release on Debian. Though Flatpak/Snap/AppImage have helped this some.
I will just end with this. There is a reason Ubuntu has a far larger marketshare and it is that extra shine and support that Canonical puts on it.
Debian LTS support is as lengthy as Ubuntu is. They are on different release schedules, of course... but the LTS term is the same:
Aside: The ZorinGroup has officially stated that they prefer to stick with the Ubuntu base. However, they are plenty capable of switching to the Solid and Reliable Debian. There is no need to do so at this time.
ZorinGroup has stated a step further, that they can host all their software without a base, as well. But again, there is no pressing need to do so.
Appreciate the honesty.
What is it you look for in a Distro, then? And what Distro usually hits the most marks with you?
For me, I have been using Debian for years due to their overall server stability. I ran all my servers on Debian (until last year when I switched to CentOS for its smaller footprint) and had nothing but good experiences.
Because they know what is best for their project better than we do.
If Debian was a better solution they would be on it.
You are definitely making Faith-based arguments.
At which point, I step aside. I already have experienced where this rabbit hole goes.