With Zorin my laptop is private - but now what about my phone?

It really is a great post, as it clarifies a lot of misconceptions that people have regarding privacy and sets clear expectations about the project. This is exactly why I said this earlier:

Projects like GrapheneOS and /e/ have a different target audience with different needs. Just like there are Linux distributions that make it easy to jump from Windows and get started, as well as more advanced distributions for those with more demanding requirements.

Eh, I'm not rushing, I'm moving precisely as quickly as I'm comfortable with. :slight_smile: My point was there's no general need to "take it slow" either. It really depends on the personal situation.

I can really recommend Bitwig. It runs natively + great on Linux, with entirely compatible project files to the Windows version and a good offering of internal plugins. So my workflow for now will be that while I'm on Linux (at home or traveling), I can draft something quickly with the onboard stuff, on Windows I can add + refine with the fancy VSTi stuff, then bounce that as audio as a habit. For the moment, this will work fine I think.

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Bitwig looks quite promising. If I get back into recording, I will consider buying that. Thanks!

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You are comparing apples to bananas in my opionion. You are, with your post, comparing a privacy ROM with a Stock-ROM of Fairphone. If you want to compare apples to apples, compare the FP-ROM with the Pixel-ROM and not with Graphene. Also, your link talks about past Fairphones which have not much relevancy here (FP3 for example) and is talking about Stock-Fairphone and not much about /e/ - which has been a topic before your post.

The /e/ FP4 has the newest android version, the FP5 will get it in the next couple of weeks. So that should in some regard fix the criticism in your link.

The /e/ project is of course not without its flaws. There are some and they need to be talked about. But your link and your argumentation paints a much worse picture than, in my opinion, it currently is. /e/ for example is a fast moving project. I wouldnt use it if I was an activist in a country where they are trying to silence you, but for every day use it is as good as it gets with all the compability. Sure, its not as secure as graphene, but it works better for every day use. It all depends on use-case.

But it's true that they are expensive phones and the quality is not up there with other products on that price range.

They are expensive because they source their materials not from the cheapest seller. They are not up to par with other phones in the same price range because they have to make compromsises because they cannot afford (yet) to individually make their phone from scratch.
TechAltar has made a good video detailing the how and why of Fairphone:

I don't suggest it if you are short on money, don't care about the environment, working conditions or need a good phone/camera. But in all honesty, i think the Fairphone is pretty okay for 90% of people. Most people use their phone to chat and watch/listen anways. And as long as there are people buying expensive high-end phones, there are people with money. At least you can change your battery after 2 years for 30 or something bucks. My 2 cents.

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/e/ hasn't left FP3 behind. I have an FP3+ and I am now on /e/OS 2.1 and Android 13.

I explicitly mentioned Fairphone with /e/, and compared that to the Google Pixel with Graphene. Two ROMs designed with privacy in mind, on a thread about privacy.

It will continue to be relevant for as long as Fairphone claims to support this device. If they have managed to overcome the challenges in later version of the device, all the better, but that doesn't mean we should forget about previous mistakes. Precedents matter.

I never claimed otherwise, and I agree. This is why I commented on various points regarding frequency of updates, device support, quality of components and price.

But since we're talking about apples and not bananas, the best option for privacy is Pixel + Graphene OS.

Not sure where you got that from, but mainstream phones support installing 3rd party .apk files, including F-droid.

In fact, in recent android versions, apps installed through F-droid can auto-update in the background without having to manually confirm it, even if F-droid was installed without root (in older android versions you have to manually tell it to update and confirm the installation for every app on non-rooted devices, but it works).

I have F-droid installed and working fine on both, my android 13 vivo phone and my android 8 samsung tablet, both using the stock rom and without root.

I agree with Sorro. I have used F-droid on many different brands of stock phones. You just have to go into settings and tell the phone it is OK to download apps from an unknown source.

I know about installing from untrusted sources, but I'm talking a long while back when I was using 1+ 3 and 1+ 3T. Forgetting how much time has lapsed.

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