i want this and can't wait lol
any1 knows how to do this?
i've checked , and it looks more difficult than it sounds
i want this and can't wait lol
any1 knows how to do this?
i've checked , and it looks more difficult than it sounds
Personally I would just wait until it's readily available. Since it's XFCE, generally the look and the feel of the desktop is going to be the same between them, albeit with experimental wayland support.
Gad Zukes, not more Wayland ....
From their release announcement it seems they've done a lot of work to keep backwards compatibility... so kudos to them!
Seems like there are a lot of internal updates done with the intention of making the development easier going forward. I think this is looking promising for XFCE.
Well, Wayland is the Future. But what xfce makes, is setting more directly on Wayland instead of using XWayland as an Transition as far as I understand that. And they keep X11.
Why is that ? X11 works fine.
X11 got some security flaws. Don't ask me which, cuz I don't know.
As far as I understand that, Wayland is made for the modern Hardware Situation. It has the Focus on it. Which is a bit funny when You think about the Nvidia Situation when you would ask me. But with Explicit Sync there is Progress on this.
Like @Storm wrote, Xorg has a Security ... Issue. It can read the Stuff what happens in a Window - when You type in a Password for Example. So, theoretically You could use this Type of ''Door'' and read out a Password or Your Bank Account Data. And on Wayland, You don't have that in that Way. It seems to work more in Parts - so I would say that.
If i am not wrong the vulnerabilities are already patched.
Well, the security aspect of X11 is still up for debate as far as I'm concerned. I'm not going to pretend that I could prove or disprove anything, but I've only heard of people talking about it; never actually seen this in action. Whereas...
Another reason that I've heard Wayland is preferred over X11 is the massive legacy technical debt. It's such a massive project that has grown in every direction over decades, and so development has stagnated. Wayland is putting more thought into making itself future proof.
So far I know that, this isn't directly a Vulnerability. It is simply like X11 works. So when You would change that, you would have to change how X11 works. The Thing is: You would have to use a Virus that you bring in a System and that would jump in this Hole if you want so. It is a Weakpoint.
Honestly I would wager the massive legacy debt that has accrued over the 40 odd years would be enough of a reason to start a replacement. I'm not gonna pretend I know security at all either, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you have something THAT old, there's bound to be leaks in that bucket.
Now whether or not those are applicable to an end user, maybe, maybe not. But if viruses started becoming the norm for linux specifically, then having so many holes that probably aren't even accounted for, could be horrible.
The way I look at how they're implementing Wayland is how usually a firewall is implemented: Don't let anything happen, then as things are needed, we allow those things. X has had to pull so many duties over the decades, I would wager it was mostly "let's get this working, THEN restrict". But if you don't know what to restrict, you can't know there's a security flaw.
I agree, absolutely. There's a reason why X11 hasn't seen a release since 2012. That's close to the entire existence of Wayland!
But that also speaks quite loudly to the fact that X11 is by no means obsolete or any of that sort. At the same time, it puts into question the argument that Wayland's design will make it easier to work on and update... imagine a race where you're given almost 13 years of head start and you're still not ahead!
I'm sure Wayland will become the standard eventually, and all while keeping everyone happy. But I'm perfectly content with X11. It just works. That has to count for something...
x11 works perfectly fine and I use it on my desktop running debian with kde. But on my laptop with fedora and kde 6, i haven't noticed any difference between x11 and wayland. Maybe slightly better performance on games when using x11? The only reason I use wayland in this case is because firefox only implemented pixel-accurate touchpad scrolling on wayland, so it feels clunky on x11 (more of a mozilla fault than a x11 fault, to be fair, as chromium does it fine with x11)
I am quite impressed by the progress wayland has made in just 2 years: last time I tried Zorin 17 with wayland (ubuntu 22), it was glitchy, unstable, the performance gap was noticeable even outside of gaming, etc.. But up-to-date wayland (at least on kde) seems to do fine: the shell crashing no longer ends the entire session nor the apps I had open, visual glitches are gone, and performance is only noticeable in games.
I'm not saying it's perfect (performance is still slightly worse in games, and my laptop is full-AMD, so my experience with compatibility on wayland is better than compared to systems with NVIDIA), but, since the push for wayland and deprecation of x11 are inevitable seeing how things are going, at least it's nice to see it's getting closer and closer to stopping being a point of complaint
Well, the linux kernel itself is quite old too, and they still fix the flaws, optimize it to run better, rewrite some parts and sometimes get rid of legacy code that isn't needed anymore. Sure, x11 hasn't gotten a full release since 2012, but isn't the ability of forking and modifying one of the strenghts of open source? Was x11 really that bad for developing that starting from scratch and spend more than a decade developing the new replacement was the most effective solution?
I am fine with wayland as long as it works just as good (or better) than x11, but I do wonder if the time and effort spent making wayland better than x11 could have been used on making x11 have all the strenghts that wayland is advertised for and even more
This is basically where I've been at. And to their credit, it's gotten significantly better in the past 3 odd years, so much so that I use it daily without anything being in the way. I run an all AMD system, so that helps, but just the desktop smoothness (animations, even minimal ones) and even dragging around a window feels nicer. That being said, I'm used to X, so seeing the occasional stutter or invisible window for a second when it closes doesn't bother me, but having something that's fixing those small things is kind of nice.
I reading people back to X11 because with Wayland they still have a problems.
Besides developer working on x11 because they afraid the Wayland will be crashed and kill linux operating system. Reading also Wayland is in Beta to the 2026. I could be wrong but that what i reading.
Then if x11 will going with wayland then it is possible it will be in future and Zorin xfce version will be still continuity?
In Plasma 6 there came massive Improvements with Wayland as far as I heard. That seems to be a big Jump forward. And this Progress continues there.
Wayland and X11 are 2 different Ways. You could theoretically rewrite the X11 code but then You would have not the same X11 anymore. It wouldn't be X11 like You know it now. And that would be a Problem.
Source ?
Forking the project would imply continuing where it was left off. But that wouldn't solve the issues that were already there, namely dealing with the massive complexity of the project. You can still benefit from open source licenses even when you do want to start over. I'm sure there are plenty of things about Wayland that they didn't re-write from scratch and were taken from, or at least inspired by, X11.
I don't know if that is the case though, I'd love to know if this is true or not.