Zorin Wayland

When will the Zorin Core version with Wayland be released?

December of 2023

thank you

Are we in the Past right now?

Zorin Core already uses Wayland by default.

It was an accurate answer...

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@Aravisian is from nowhere and eveywhere :wink:

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There is no official Info about that. I would guess that they follow the Ubuntu Way or at least the Gnome Way with that. But I wouldn't expect, that they suddenly kick it out. That would be my Point of View. For an official Statement, we have to wait.

I would like xorg will survive just because it support old hardware better than wayland, but is ubuntu really open source, are they really without financial interest ?

I stopped Windows because it killing my "not so old" computer... what next ?

Wayland fundamentally depends on a modern GPU stack, including kernel DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) and KMS (Kernel Mode Setting), with drivers that are actively maintained. Many older GPUs including Intel GMA 950, and older Radeon pre-HD2000 series, may have patchy or incomplete KMS/DRM support. Those devices often have better compatibility with Xorg because Xorg has fallback acceleration (software render, shadowfb) and more tolerant VESA modes.

Wayland compositors generally require OpenGL/EGL-capable render paths, often through Mesa’s llvmpipe if hardware support is lacking. That means on old or underpowered hardware, performance under Wayland will degrade, sometimes dramatically, due to software rasterization, whereas Xorg can still run a simpler framebuffer driver quite efficiently.

If you have an older GPU or driver that works only with legacy Xorg and has no modern DRM/KMS support, XWayland cannot bridge that because it still relies on the same modern kernel graphics stack as Wayland itself.

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Which one could argue is promoting e-waste!

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I agree. We cannot expect support for Commodore computers, for example. When a device gets too old, it is time to upgrade.

That being said, ten years in the computer industry is not very old. I would be very surprised to see a statistic that is evidence based, showing only 0.5% of users have hardware older than nine years.

Until Windows 10 came along, with a change in leadership at Microsoft; Generally users stuck with operating systems older than seven years and hardware much older than that.

This is especially true with Businesses and Companies.

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Industrial control systems, medical equipment, manufacturing machinery, and specialized devices often run on hardware older than 10 years because these systems have long certified lifespans and are costly to replace.

According to Spiceworks, smalll to medium businesses that run hardware ten years or older is about 21%, due to financial reasons or to infrastructure. While a little over twenty percent is not a large number, it is non-trivial and it is nowhere near one half of a percent.

In IT, then you see a 5-7 year expectation.

Which brings us back to this statement. Not only are we considering your average home user and small businesses, but those trying to help a sustainable environment by reducing ewaste.
Which Zorin OS does... or at least... it used to... Support this concept with Zorin OS Lite until they gave it the Axe.

On my good lady's machine from 2006 that I built is running Q4OS Plasma 5.27 on kernel just updated to 6.1.33

what work, work, on my old days at my work we had VAX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

and for many many years they did the job and never fail even if they were online 24/24 7/7
In 2016 we virtualize them after 45 years of good service.
What I espect from ubuntu (so for Zorin) is to maitain a bit my old computer

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Of Course they have a financial Interest. Canonical is a Company - and as a Company they have financial Interests.

Well, the Question is: when Xorg is out in fedora, Gnome and Ubuntu, how far will be the Wayland Development and Implementation? When this at the Point works, it would be okay. If not, then it would be a Problem.

In a more up-to-date Gnome Version, You have a better Wayland Implementation than here on Zorin 17 with Gnome 43. That counts for Plasma, too. So, it depends (partly) from what System and Desktop You use, how well Hardware is supported.

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the only thing who let me live in peace is that linux is not windows and i can stay with older distro without big risk...

When these older Distros still get Support with Updates, yes.

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I've recently found differences with Wayland/Xorg and Zorin v Fedora (which may also relate to Wayland versions). I didn't use to care, but I'm beginning to...

Fractional scaling in Zorin 17 Wayland results in some apps being blurry, while this isn't the case in Zorin Xorg or Fedora 42.

I'm hoping Zorin 18 (Wayland specifically) improves this :crossed_fingers:

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I believe Wayland will be really great at Zorin 18. For now, Xorg is the way to go for me.

Wayland is crashing way too much.