Zorin Wayland

When will the Zorin Core version with Wayland be released?

December of 2023

thank you

Are we in the Past right now?

Zorin Core already uses Wayland by default.

one question tough is zorin already have planned to do like other will do very soon that mean wayland only with xwayland but no more X11 only session ?

It was an accurate answer...

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@Aravisian is from nowhere and eveywhere :wink:

There is no official Info about that. I would guess that they follow the Ubuntu Way or at least the Gnome Way with that. But I wouldn't expect, that they suddenly kick it out. That would be my Point of View. For an official Statement, we have to wait.

I would like xorg will survive just because it support old hardware better than wayland, but is ubuntu really open source, are they really without financial interest ?

I stopped Windows because it killing my "not so old" computer... what next ?

actually wayland work on older hardware as well (if not better in some case) than Xorg, the issue here is more until xwayland is arround, nothing will happen (as it run some part of X11 into wayland to allow older software to work even when not designed for wayland.

So unless your computer have more than 20 years, i don't think you will have major issue when they decide to not install X11 session by default (you still will be able to use X11 app into Xwayland)

the only thing you will not be able to do is to run the totality of you desktop in X

Wayland fundamentally depends on a modern GPU stack, including kernel DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) and KMS (Kernel Mode Setting), with drivers that are actively maintained. Many older GPUs including Intel GMA 950, and older Radeon pre-HD2000 series, may have patchy or incomplete KMS/DRM support. Those devices often have better compatibility with Xorg because Xorg has fallback acceleration (software render, shadowfb) and more tolerant VESA modes.

Wayland compositors generally require OpenGL/EGL-capable render paths, often through Mesa’s llvmpipe if hardware support is lacking. That means on old or underpowered hardware, performance under Wayland will degrade, sometimes dramatically, due to software rasterization, whereas Xorg can still run a simpler framebuffer driver quite efficiently.

If you have an older GPU or driver that works only with legacy Xorg and has no modern DRM/KMS support, XWayland cannot bridge that because it still relies on the same modern kernel graphics stack as Wayland itself.

Which one could argue is promoting e-waste!

thanks for the repeat (more technical) because both GMA and HD2000 tech have more than 10 years old.

we cannot expect an infinite support for device that are now less than half a percent of user hardware.

They let it work until it won't, but never expect a fix to make 10+ years old device work (unless a company pay a premium to fix the issue for themselves)

I agree. We cannot expect support for Commodore computers, for example. When a device gets too old, it is time to upgrade.

That being said, ten years in the computer industry is not very old. I would be very surprised to see a statistic that is evidence based, showing only 0.5% of users have hardware older than nine years.

Until Windows 10 came along, with a change in leadership at Microsoft; Generally users stuck with operating systems older than seven years and hardware much older than that.

This is especially true with Businesses and Companies.

Actually it's not totally true, not any single company (that know how tech work) expect more than 10 years support.

They won't reject it but they know after 10 years it's kaput.
Here we have a case where a new tech was needed (as X is a technical nightmare to maintain and a security hell due to the basic design that come from an age where security didn't existed).

So we cannot expect that device that their own builder do not support anymore, to see a fix from Wayland developer (unless they are paid to do so).

Industrial control systems, medical equipment, manufacturing machinery, and specialized devices often run on hardware older than 10 years because these systems have long certified lifespans and are costly to replace.

According to Spiceworks, smalll to medium businesses that run hardware ten years or older is about 21%, due to financial reasons or to infrastructure. While a little over twenty percent is not a large number, it is non-trivial and it is nowhere near one half of a percent.

In IT, then you see a 5-7 year expectation.

Which brings us back to this statement. Not only are we considering your average home user and small businesses, but those trying to help a sustainable environment by reducing ewaste.
Which Zorin OS does... or at least... it used to... Support this concept with Zorin OS Lite until they gave it the Axe.

And for those we (yes i'm an IT person) hide those device behind another modern device that relay and protect the older one.

We have understood long ago that oldest device cannot (and must not) be updated to not break their functionality so a less powerful device is the cop that is up to date and translate everything those manufacturing machinery do on the network

edit : perfect solution ? no definitively not, but the best between frequent update and security of device we cannot change

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On my good lady's machine from 2006 that I built is running Q4OS Plasma 5.27 on kernel just upsated to 6.1.33

what work, work, on my old days at my work we had VAX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

and for many many years they did the job and never fail even if they were online 24/24 7/7
In 2016 we virtualize them after 45 years of good service.
What I espect from ubuntu (so for Zorin) is to maitain a bit my old computer