The future of Windows

I will be surprised if a NPU isn't part of windows 12's minimum requirements, seeing how much of a push they are doing for AI and that component being the main advertised point of the new ARM "Copilot+" laptops and x86 also getting it

But lately, it's been less of a matter of "supported or unsupported" and more of a matter of "is it really better than what I already have?". Many Windows 7 users stayed on it far into 10's release because Cortana, privacy invasions, bloatware among other things made upgrading something that just wasn't worth it. It was the end of security updates what got people to upgrade, so not really a choice.

Now with windows 11, it's more of the same... worse performance than on 10, more privacy invasions, trying to get a better UI at the cost of ruining the UX... It's no wonder people are trying to stay on 10 for as long as possible.

Fun fact: the university where I study at recently replaced some old and slow computers with some new and fast ones and they specifically choose to have windows 10 on them instead of 11, despite the fact that it's only got 1 more year of support.

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Then they could theoretically buy extended Support. But it goes only 3 Years if I'm inforemd correctly. So, they have a bit more time for a Win11, 12 or whatever there will come. Or ... maybe Linux ...

With each update they release every month they break things. Just go to windows latest and scroll a bit down.

1 year ago i got hit on my (back then) 3 months old notebook and got bsod issues for 4 months! They released a update that did not worked well with nvidia. Nvidia gaved me alot of bsod issues (nvlddmkm). It took nvidia 4 months to fix it. The update ms pushed was for a 24H2 release and companies where not ready for it.

With windows 11 i always felt like beta tester duo all these issues. A tech company that big cannot make these mistakes.

Before i got my new notebook i already switched to linux, used it for almost 2 years. Sadly my newer notebook was not yet linux compatible till i saw a message a few months ago that it was supported in kernel 6.5. Tried it on a external drive and everything worked out of the box. Didnt need to think long about it and deleted windows 11.

Microsoft loves to push people to linux, for that i will say thanks!

Linux wil grow anyway, market share increases and steam supports more games. It’s just a matter of time….and time is not on Microsofts side this time :joy:

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Something tells me they have considered that option, as the computers in the university's library are running xubuntu (they are so old that they can slow down when scrolling through the library's website, and their keyboards have the windows 2000 logo), and all we really use them for in classes are for the web browser, recording audio or writing small texts, all of which can be done with linux perfectly fine.

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Which according to various analysts has massive security implications. Both Apple and Microsoft are heading full speed towards systems with integrated AI on the NPU, which can constantly monitor you. Your Proton mail and PGP encrypted communications are completely bypassed if the AI is reading it on the screen at either end. You need to be using AI-spyware-free devices at both ends to be secure.

I just read this:

The Apple AI is reading all your communications so as to give you a summary. The author doesn't like aspects of it because it gives weird results, not because its a security nightmare. Although this is an Apple story the implications are the same for Windows AI devices. We already know that the on-device AI is linked to headquarters AI. (For both Microsoft and Apple - presumably Google will be joining the party too).

Somehow this is all for our benefit so we can take better photos or be more productive or something.

I really am not a paranoid conspiracy theorist - I don't like the observable direction of travel. I don't know how many people will be bothered enough by it to leave Windows.

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To be fair, this isn't an issue with AI. Any manufacturer could implement a hardware component that bypass all the security mechanisms implemented at the operating system level.

Not that I'm thrilled about this, but I think it's important to understand the difference between an amazing technology, and marketing bull :poop: to shove invasive "solutions" down our throats.

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True. Although hopefully they would be pilloried when it was discovered. This is where I think that the use of AI allows MS/Apple to claim that they are security conscious, your privacy is paramount etc. Technically true - no individual employee is sitting at HQ sifting through masses of data. But the AI on your device may be. Can you be sure that your on-device AI is working for you and your benefit?

AI is a great technology when used in specific applications (scientific-medical analysis of massive data sets especially). I'm not convinced we need it on our PCs and phones. Invasive solutions indeed. Especially when it goes hand in hand with Windows becoming more controlling, more invasive. and all the other aspects mentioned above.

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This is probably the best argument to use when you hear people say things like "I don't care about my data being collected because nobody is looking at it".
With AI becoming more powerful and people more aware of this, that argument becomes obsolete: there's no need for a human being to sit and go through all your stuff anymore; AI already does this, much more effectively than any human ever would.

I categorically refuse to buy a computer that has any of this stuff built-in. I get the appeal but if I want AI installed, I can do that at the software level. Yes, it's going to be slower (can't beat dedicated hardware) but I'd be the one in control: when to use, when not to use, etc.

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Those AI chips cannot be disabled in the bios ?

Technically, yes. But the BIOS itself is provided by the manufacturer, which naturally would not make that option available if they are trying to sneak up on you. You'd have to figure out another way to go about doing this, like installing a custom firmware.

AI could be amazing. It goes from something as simple as Nvidia using it to improve performance on games, to historical researching and helping fight cancer. AI could be the big, great and exciting new technology of the decade. The problem is that the big tech companies that are in charge of pushing it are doing it in unneccessary, privacy-invasive, security-nightmare, and overall annoying ways.

We don't need nor want the AI that Apple, Microsoft, Google and other big companies are throwing at us. But that's not the fault of the concept of AI itself.

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Absolutely. AI has been in use for a very long time now, in various areas of research and even practical business applications.

Unfortunately, business are not going to let go of the opportunity to sell you as much :poop: as they can, now that it has become the new hyped amenity. Strike while the iron is hot, as the saying goes. Just like with cryptocurrencies or cloud services before.

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Well they don't need our machines to find out what we are doing (4 minutes 57 seconds in):

But in 2030 you won't get a choice:

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I wonder if the future involves the government doing the thinking for you. Oh, you don't have to worry about that, just let us handle it like we've always been, you just keep doing the great job you are doing, and everything will be fine.

Were going to be probably like Disney's prediction of future humanity in the movie Walle, glued to our screens, AI doing all the thinking, you doing all the consuming. I personally don't look forward to our species future, because I think we are regressing as a species, and creating a monster out of AI, that will ultimately doom our species.

The only entities who truly want all this AI stuff, are corporations and government. Those who have money, those who have power, they are the ones who are running the show, were just along for the ride. Its human nature to create the dystopia that we claim we don't want, and yet we end up there in the end.

At this point, its less about the future of Windows, its more about the future of Humanity, and where I place is in it, with AI at the helm.


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That is not the Future; that is today. They say You that they are Experts which have more Experts and they all exactly know what they are doing. But that is all Nonsense.

Conspiracy mumbo jumbo. The illuminati is not secretly ruling the U.N with lizard alien people.

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Aravisian ... Everybody knows that the Lizard People are not Aliens. They are coming from the Hollow Earth under our Feets. That they are Aliens is a Conspiracy from the Werewolf Vampires from Alpha Centauri who are allied with the Illuminati. That is Elementary School Knowledge Aravisian.

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That's just what Elementary School want you to know. After all, state schools are sponsored by Men in Black aren't they? :slight_smile:

(Oh No. I'm guilty as charged for diverting thread from its purpose. )

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I never claimed that. I was inferring that in due course it is likely that Windows will be enforced. Here in the UK it is already happening with agricultural land being turned into solar farms. You can't eat electricity.