The Buzz around Mozilla's New Terms of Use

The point of that article is not that they've fixed the issue, which is of course a good thing, but that this was introduced by explicitly disabling a security mechanism that comes with Firefox.

If that happens, what else might have? It's a large code base, and as much as it's growing it's still pretty small team. So, keep that in mind when making a decision on which tools to use for sensitive things.

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Thanks for taking the time to follow up the responses you get and for keeping us up to date. That they're stubbornly sticking to the company line doesn't surprise me.

I stand by that statement. With someone who shows many traits on the NPD scale, you need to carefully evaluate everything they say and do. I've got a lot of experience and training is identifying "red flags" and this YouTuber raises a heck of a lot.

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I think this would result in a much lengthier conversation that doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand, but I'd like to hear more about it sometime. If you ever feel like it, please send me a PM.

However, I will say that I completely agree with that one should carefully evaluate what people online say and do. I'm talking more generally, about everything and everyone you see through a screen these days. Remember, people rarely publish any content because they enjoy doing so anymore, but because there's either a profit to be made or an agenda to maintain.

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Just ran BrowserAudit on zen browser:

Firefox 136.0.2 - same results!:

Brave Browser slightly better but Content Security Policy had 20 warnings whereas Firefox and Zen had 18.

Chromium scored the same as Brave:

LibreWolf had the highest number of warnings at 32:

PaleMoon faired the best (17 warnings) but skipped 3 tests?:

Tor Browser received the highest number (35) of warnings out of Browsers audited to this point:

Opera had 30 warnings:

Vivaldi had 29 warnings:

Mercury Browser had 32 warnings - out-of-date and fewer warnings than current Tor Browser!:

Google Chrome had 29 warnings:

ungoogled chromium (flatpak) had 30 warnings!:

All browsers (apart from ungoogled chrome, audited on VM of Zorin 17) audited on PCLOS Debian

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zen browser passes 3 of Cloudflare's DNS security checks:

Panopticlick - checking for fingerprints left by your browser - Cover your tracks by EFF results:

AmIUnique fingerprint results:

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Brave A.I. mentioned to also use PCFlank but don't know if this is a corrupted site as lot of info there dated 2018 and when trying to run the security link it lost all html settings, by that I mean page turned to plain text layout.

what about mullvad-browser ?

I could not get it to install on my PCLOS Debian Plasma desktop. Tried following the script but it baulked at something. The other issue I have with PCLOS (original and newer Debian) is that after installation you are asked to create a root password. So after installing Pale Moon I get a notification that there is an update which cannot be applied because I don't have admin rights. One of the downsides of having a more secure system!

I'm really happy with Zen, zero issues recently.

I tried to install Mulvad browser too but I couldn't manage it. I thought it was just my inexperience.

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You might have to spell it out for me - so this means that Firefox and Zen are pretty much identical in terms of flaws etc., the key difference being that Zen isn't giving my data to Mozilla for it to use however it likes?

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If you look at the backend it has the do not track settings that mozilla removed. Pale Moon came out on top with Tor Browser being the worst. Ungoogled chromium not much better.

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Hope this one will be good

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Jep, but it is at least 1 year out, so we have to find solutions until then :wink:
I like the Zen Browser way more than Brave, but unfortunately it has no mobile app for Android, or am I missing something?

For those about to use Brave, let's hope there will be no more flaws:

The vulnerability has been fixed but guess there will always be issues when criminal crackers (note crackers, NOT hackers) are around.

Personally I also have a weird feeling about Brave looking at their history of scandals. I am also uneasy about their being only chromium left in the browser space.
But as Zorin is now switching from Firefox to Brave. I would like them to apply the same scrutiny to Brave in the future. Meaning another scandal at Brave should again trigger a browser switch. In general Zorin should really follow this discussion to choose a browser that best fits an open spirit.

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I mean sure, I'd also expect it if they did something similar as Mozilla did recently. Or decide to use user data to train their AI (afaik they don't do that) - I'm quite allergic to that. But I don't think they should change the default browser for a "scandal" of wanting to show ads to users and pay them for it and then backtracking. Or messing with affiliate links, and then fixing it. It was scummy yes, but what's important is that they fixed it after user feedback, which means they do listen! I hope they continue improving it, as it really is a great browser :slight_smile:

Unfortunately there aren't many others who fit into the devs' criteria :confused: Ladybird seems promising, but it's too far from even having an alpha release (and again, the criteria of popularity, etc).

I don't know what is that hype about mozilla and another webbrowser.
That is normal every big corporation selling a data.
This is bussiness for them.
Facebook selling data messenger,whatsapp. AI chatgpt collect data and selling.
This days you don't have a privacy or they just tried sayed we have got privacy.
Poor android mobiles,chromebook and etc. That all software is a trash.
I am not programmer profesional but windows is most simply software to hack.
Then linux is next because is open source.
For me difficult to hack is apple.

The buzz comes from a company claiming to be against collecting and selling personal information, and then adopting that as part of their core business strategy.

I personally don't think that this widespread practice is doing society any favors, no matter how normal it is (actually, because of just that). But that's a topic for another day.

You are confusing privacy with security. You can use something secure while your data is collected and sold to third parties. For example, you can have a Gmail account perfectly safeguarded against hackers, while Google processes your personal information for their own profit.

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